Apostles Drank Wine? - Page 2

Dusty · 09-05-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasher

Did the Apostles and Disciples drink real wine or just grape Juice?

I think the only reason they drank wine was because the water in that day was not pure. But they did not drink in excess. Just my two cents.

Pastor Gary · 09-05-2007, 02:55 PM

Scriptural Technical Information:

The word 'Wine' is found in the "Authorized KIng James Version Bible of 1611", 230 times. By far, the most frequent usage of the word 'wine' comes from Hebrew word pronounced in English as "yayin" - which means "a fermented beverage" as found in Proverbs 31:4-7 and referenced in Genesis 9:24.

There are several other Hebrew and Greek word origins including a Greek word which is pronounced in English as "oinos"... also refering to a 'femented beverage' as found, for instance in Luke 5:37, Mark 2:22 and Matthew 9:17, just to name a few.

For specific word usages by chapter and verse, use the search tool listed below for specific 'wine' research... use the Strong's Number Search Tool block to obtain the Strong's Word Number for either Hebrew or Greek - Then Use the Number in the block just below it and select 'Hebrew' for Old Testament Research or 'Greek' for New Testament Research. Enjoy your studies.

http://www.tgm.org/bible.htm

Dusty · 09-05-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Boanerges

Hi Skratch welcome and thanks for that testimony- another reason I don't drink is to " obstain even from the appearance of evil" and I would always like to err on the side of caution rather than " cause my brother to stumble"- have an awesome day in His presence- your brother Larry

Brother Larry..... I tend to lean towards your thinking. I don't drink because I have seen it's ill effects when some one who is a weak Christian starts out thinking it isn't harmful and little by little satan gets them to take more and more saying to themselves ..... "it's ok". nope for me I will abstain..... Thanks but no thanks.

Thankyou also Pastor Gary for the Technical Information. I'll take all the help I can get . LOL.

Boanerges · 09-05-2007, 03:06 PM

"We are not drunk as you suppose"- the implication was that if they drank to much wine they indeed would have been drunk- so it seems the wine was indeed fermented-

Jasher · 09-05-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Boanerges

"We are not drunk as you suppose"- the implication was that if they drank to much wine they indeed would have been drunk- so it seems the wine was indeed fermented-

Good point Larry!

adonaicole · 09-05-2007, 03:46 PM

John the baptist may never have drank wine but clearly Jesus did.

Jasher · 09-05-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by adonaicole

John the baptist may never have drank wine but clearly Jesus did.

Yes, John had taken a Nazarite vow. No wine!

Jasher · 09-05-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty

I think the only reason they drank wine was because the water in that day was not pure. But they did not drink in excess. Just my two cents.

Some houses had a cistern to collect rainwater. Homes were usually one story with a usable roof. This roof had a parapet around it to keep people from falling off also a set of outdoor stairs to the roof. This roof area was used for everthing - sleeping in hot weather - drying flax and fruits. The rainwater was collected off this roof. Also the homes had roofs made of poles, tree branches, and mud for a floor.

Can you imagine drinking this runoff water? Reminds me of Bermuda today - they have no water system either. They use cisterns to collect rainwater - roof's are painted white. When you take a shower over there - you don't waste water. You wet down, shut water off, and lather and then rinse quickly. When your cistern runs dry - you pay for a refill.

I wonder if they mix wine with their water? Nephew's Boat

Dusty · 09-05-2007, 06:25 PM

Thanks for that explanation Jasher. Yes in many Caribbean countries they have to concerve water and I know on my mission trip to Dominican Republic.... we, the mission team had to share a bucket of water and each one took just a little and if you were last ..... well. We have to thank God for all we have here in North America and not take it for granted.

Oh , I'll give you a laugh that we still laugh about to this day. There were several times when the water was shut of and it started to rain outside so we all ran out in our swim suits and the pastor who was with us just got her hair lathered with soap when it stopped raining. LOL

KitsapGirl · 09-05-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasher

Hi Guys,
I have heard that one person in ten is vulnerable to the addiction of drink. Alcoholism really riddled my mothers family in the 40's and 50's.

The denomination of my youth (AOG) went to great effort to try to prove that the people in the New Testament only drank grape juice (Sweet Wine) and not fermented wine. The historical record indicates otherwise. The yeast that caused the fermentation was already active on the grapes before they were even pressed by foot in an ancient winepress. So it was impossible to keep the juice from fermenting. The hot climate of that area also accelerated the process as well. Grape juice as we know it was only possible for probably a day or two. So, they drank real wine so far as I know.

However, there are also extenuating historical circumstances. For example: It was really taboo to be a drunkard in the Jewish culture of that day - there was a lot of social pressure to abstain from excess. Also, the custom of that day was to mix one to two parts water with the wine, which diluted it down significantly. Some say that the water was bad, which precipitated this practice. This diluted wine was traditionally drunk with meals, which further reduces the effect of the alcohol.

For sure you cannot equate first century practices with ours today. Today we have distilleries, which can raise the alcohol concentration to almost pure alcohol. There is excessive abuse of concentrated alcoholic beverages today in this country. This is why I think that the Church almost always chooses to use grape juice in communion out of consideration for children and people who have had drinking problems at some point in their lives. Abstinence is a Church tradition that developed in this country due to the destructive and excessive practices extant in our culture. I think those who abstain for this reason have good motives as long as it doesnâ€™t degrade into legalism. But neither is it wrong to drink in the same manner as Jesus and his disciples had done in their culture.

What Jasher said!!!

Very accurate...I might add that one reason why the put into the water is because water was potentially contaminated. The alcohol mixed in with it would kill simple bacteria.

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