freedom07

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Romans 6:4
4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

smellycat

entering satans realm,a play on words,even thinks he,ll get of on a technicality.funny.

Pastor Gary

Might be a good time to look at the KJV again just for clarity and to refute some translations that were done in error or changed deliberately...

"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

smellycat

to....day we will be in paradise.give you the morning star......sunrise.a day person who see,s the sun rise.

daniel2macarius

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Quote: Originally Posted by smellycat entering satans realm,a play on words,even thinks he,ll get of on a technicality.funny.

You speak of satan alot as i have noticed from some of your posts do you know him well

And to answer the original question in koine greek what the bible was written in there was no comas in this scripture at all.this was added by english translators. but i believe it ment to as soon as the theif died he would go to be with the Lord Jesus Christ.

Bless You
damiel2macarius

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freedom07

Sorry, maybe this wasn't the best interpretation of scripture to choose.

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azheis

The answer lies pretty much within the context ……did Jesus go to paradise…that day? And the words into thy Kingdom are key to understanding verse 43
Luke 23: 42 & 43 And he {the malefactor} said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43: And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with me in paradise
Verse 42 states “into thy kingdom� Christ’s kingdom was here upon earth and is being held in abeyance until it picks up again in Revelation. Just before Christ ascended his disciples asked Him Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7: And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Now remember we are not speaking of heaven, the words paradise and heaven are two distinctly different words. According to biblical definitions paradise is used as someplace here on earth, heaven is anyplace above the earth.
In verse 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with me in paradise
One little comma changes everything. Translators starting in the 11th century started adding punctuation, there was no punctuation in the originals. Here in this verse 43 they placed the comma after today, so the Bible would read that when you die {that day} you will be with me in paradise. The problem with that is, Jesus didn’t go to paradise that day. The Bible states He was in the heart of the earth three days and three nights. According to Jewish law it took 72 hours before you were officially declared dead; and Jesus fulfilled the law.
By placing the comma after the word today, you then have an accurate rendering of the truth. Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise. Jesus was saying unto him “that day�….. that sometime in the future, he {the malefactor} would be with Him in paradise.
Now to us that might be a funny way of stating something, but it was an idiom commonly used in the eastern culture. References of this are scattered throughout the Bible some of these are used in Deuteronomy 6:6 – 7:11 – 8:1 – 9:3 – 10:13 – 11:2

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smellycat

nearly sent me mad for nearly 2 years,so yep i know him..feel better when i need not know him anymore.

wingnut

Hi all This verse is a super example of having to use common sense to figure out the meaning. Christ was "today" not in paradise - he was in the tomb. Three days later he had not even gone to paradise since he had not ascended to the Father yet by early Sunday morning. And the thief on the cross would have to wait for the last trump to be resurrected. So clearly, IMHO, the punctuation is "I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise"

InHisLove

That's what I believe also.

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