Boanerges

While his body was in the tomb some say His Spirit was setting free the ones waiting in Abrahams bossom ( paradise!?)- then there is the ? of what was considered a day ( a day with the Lord is as a thousand years) just a few wrinkles to think about

Jasher

"I tell you the truth today, you will be with me in paradise."

Kind of sounds like the Lord didn't always tell the truth. But on this day he did. Doesn't make sense.

Peter said on pentecost:
Acts 2:15
These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It's only nine in the morning!

The implication is that they don't normally get drunk until later in the day.

Boanerges

what are you sayng JAsher- Jesus is the Truth

MrJim

Might help to see how the early church folks understood this passage...

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Boanerges

Hi Mr Jim and amen brother!

MrJim

This is from Theophilus, about 180 A.D.

God transferred man from the earth, out of which had been produced, into Paradise, giving him meanse of advancement...In respect of beauty, this place, Paradise, was made intermediate bewteen earth and heaven.

I've understood and been taught that there is an intermediate place between earth and our eternal destiny, whether heaven or the Lake of Fire.

For the believer it is paradise~for the lost it is hell. These are places where the soul is kept. Then at the resurrection and judgement the body & soul is reunited for our eternal destiny (Heaven or the Lake of Fire).

Some (Like the 7th Day Adventists) believe in "Soul Sleep", that when ya die, the soul is dormant/sleeping until the resurrection, then judgment is meted.

Anyhow, that's how I've understood these things

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Pastor Gary

From the Original Greek Language Texts, this simply means that when the criminal on an adjacent cross spoke with Christ about his sorrow in being a malefactor, Christ told him not to worry - He would see the malefactor in Paradise that very day.

[Remember from Luke 16:19-31 (KJV) - Lazarus and the Rich Man both died at the same time and were on OPPOSITE sides of the Gulf IN Paradise (Heaven). One side was for the believers and the other side was for those who did not believe or never had a chance to HEAR the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Heaven has two sides.]

However, since the criminal crucified with Christ still was under the LAW, God knew it would not have been fair for everyone who was under the LAW to not have the same chance at Salvation as all those who came AFTER Christ's death under Grace. God sent his only begotten son to preach to all those on the bad side of Paradise so they, TOO, could choose to believe upon Him and be saved. That's where Christ went after the tomb was sealed - He was transfigured and went to teach those on the bad side of the Gulf. That's why he said, "Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with me in paradise."


Christ appeared to several persons who were walking on the road to Emmaus. If you read Luke 24:1-53 (KJV) very carefully, especially Luke 24:16 (KJV) you can discern that Christ appeared to them in a transfigured body.

daniel2macarius

[quote=MrJim;31089]This is from Theophilus, about 180 A.D.

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I've understood and been taught that there is an intermediate place between earth and our eternal destiny, whether heaven or the Lake of Fire. For the believer it is paradise~for the lost it is hell. These are places where the soul is kept. Then at the resurrection and judgement the body & soul is reunited for our eternal destiny (Heaven or the Lake of Fire).

THis is indeed what has been taught from the very begining of christianity, Most people think we go straight to heaven, but that is not true we go either to paradise or hell well done Mr Jim.

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Some (Like the 7th Day Adventists) believe in "Soul Sleep", that when ya die, the soul is dormant/sleeping until the resurrection, then judgment is meted.

this is a false teaching at the SDA church has invented.

Bless you
d2m

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wingnut

Hi Jim

The following scriptures are from the Bible (not the SDA's manual) and all seem to support soul sleep.

Acts 2:34 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:
Job 14:14-15 14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. 15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
Psalm 13:3 3 Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death;
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
John 3:13 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

How do you explain them?

And how do you explain that Christ himself said he would be "as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. " Matthew 12:40

That does not sound like "paradise" in the heart of the earth.

Mark 8:31 31 "And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. " Christ said that "after three days" he would rise again - not during those three days.

Even the two witnesses have no life when they are dead for 3.5 days. Revelation 11:11 "And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. "

Jasher

Please allow me to clarify my previous Post:

Previous Post:
"I tell you the truth today, you will be with me in paradise."

Kind of sounds like the Lord didn't always tell the truth. But on this day he did. Doesn't make sense.
End of previous post:

Clarification:
If I say to you "I tell you the truth today, comma" The inference is that I don't always tell the truth everyday. So the comma can't possibly go at the end of the word today because Jesus always told the truth. It has to go before the word today.

Previous post:
Peter said on Pentecost:
Acts 2:15
These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It's only nine in the morning!

The implication is that they don't normally get drunk until later in the day. Close previous post.

Likewise this verse also could be misconstrued by inference like the first. However, we know from the history of the NT that The Apostles were not drunkards, so we would never take it that way. But I have seen many deliberate misinterpretations like this on the Athiest forum on another large site by those who have a spirit that wants to ridicule the Gospel.