Dusty

Sister Sheba. God has a plan not to harm us but for us to prosper.

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Trials prove a Christian

Love confirms a Christian

But death crowns a Christian

Boanerges

Hi Sheba let me preface this by saying while I am in total disagreement with you on this one point there is plenty of room for opinion on all non salvation issues .Some believe God orders our steps to place us in the right place and time for these circumstances to occur, I am one of these. Is He the source or does He simply lead you to the place of testing? I think it makes precious little difference as we are going to go thru the trails and I know He works everything for my good - I am a true believer in the soviernty of my God so wheather you consider Him the origin or the one bringing you to your valley of decision the result is the same.I have enjoyed reading your posts thank you.

What do you make of this scripture:

1Pe 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
If needs be or if it is necessary- more precious than or of greater value than any earthly possesion

Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
Jas 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
trying of faith= patience=maturity

A brother in Christ

good verse Boanerges

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2 tim 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be impowered by the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

Boanerges

Thanks ABIC-

smellycat

God does not tempt.

A brother in Christ

Do you read ... at all

1 cor 10:13 , james 1:2-12, 1 peter 1:6-7

two word in greek for tempation

peiradzo bring out bad... satan, world, flesh
dokimadzo bring out the good .... God

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2 tim 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be impowered by the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

JesusReignsForever

I think God tries our faith simply to make sure that no matter what we will always trust him. My simple answer to such a huge topic

Boanerges

I think it is a chance to grow - you must use it to grow in it- no trails - no oppportunity to trust Jesus and see Him move on your behalf- after awhile it becomes natural and you can relax knowing whaterver comes your way He is in control and it will be alright.

Sheba

Thanks Boanerges, I agree this is a non salvation issue, but I truly believe it's very important. See, I am in complete agreement that temptations, trials, and tests will come. Especially for the Believer. Satan hates us and he will use every opportunity to try and break us. He will use every trick he can to get us to lose hope and give up. But one thing I'm confident of is our heavenly Father will deliver us out of the snare of the devil when we are in right standing with Him. He even has mercy on us when we aren't, and still delivers us. My point is that there has not been one scripture presented that proves God puts us through tests. See Boanerges, I only go by scripture. I don't go by what I think, what the preacher says, what my or others experience has been, I only go by what God says in His word. And though He has given us His word and given us the tools to overcome the evil one, still no one has shown in scripture, where God tempts His people. Yes, He guides our steps. And there will be even times when He leads us to places or people that will test us, but these are things that happen in a sinful world. God doesn't bring the test, but He does offer a way of escape. If He brought the test, why would He offer us a way out? It's the same as saying God puts sickness and disease on us then offers us healing. Can you see that? It's like saying God makes bad things happen to people, then tells us to pray our way out of them. I'm glad we can agree to disagree amicably, but I think it's sad that Believers think God will at any time cause them to go through trials and tests. What father would cause their child to go through awful times just to teach him/her a lesson? If your son/daughter ask for a fish, will you give him/her a serpent? God doesn't have to send test our way. He gave us His word. When we fail to obey or when we are faithless, consequences happen as a result. But God is merciful, and thank the Lord His mercy endures forever.

Sheba

Boanerges

Satan is a dog on a chain. Scriptrues were given to back up this line of thought and if you see it different that is ok- Get back to me in a few years and tell how it is going- LOL!