The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit - Page 2

Dusty · 08-12-2007, 03:27 PM

Jeremy,

I believe you are on the right track about this because it says in Mark 3: 29 ........
Mark 3:29

29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

To blaspheme is to speak evil of God. And for obvious reasons the non Christian , if you hear a lot of them talking, talk against God and His saving knowlege.

Jeremy you said and I quote: I believe that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the rejection of Christ as Son of God and as Savior as given evidence by the Holy Spirit. I believe it is the perminate and deliberate rejection of Christ into your life. Constantly.

That my friend is a very sound definition and you are to be commended for that.

I just want to say to you , that God sees your homelessness my brother and He will not leave you there as you honour Him and put Him first above all else. Just put your whole trust in Him and He will direct your paths. I will be praying also for you. God bless.

Jeremy · 08-13-2007, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dusty

Jeremy,

I believe you are on the right track about this because it says in Mark 3: 29 ........
Mark 3:29

29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

To blaspheme is to speak evil of God. And for obvious reasons the non Christian , if you hear a lot of them talking, talk against God and His saving knowlege.

Jeremy you said and I quote: I believe that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the rejection of Christ as Son of God and as Savior as given evidence by the Holy Spirit. I believe it is the perminate and deliberate rejection of Christ into your life. Constantly.

That my friend is a very sound definition and you are to be commended for that.

I just want to say to you , that God sees your homelessness my brother and He will not leave you there as you honour Him and put Him first above all else. Just put your whole trust in Him and He will direct your paths. I will be praying also for you. God bless.

Thank you for your kind words. Yeah, this subject is something I have studied repeatally because I was a bad blasphemer before I came back to the Lord. I also help my old friends with advice on this subject.

They say that they have speakin against the Holy Spirit and are therefore unforgiven I told them "The bible also says all manners of sins shall be forgiven, even ALL the blasphemies they UTTER" So therefore, I believe when the bible says speaketh it is going along the lines of rejection to Christ.

Yeah, I trust in the Lord and I have asked forgiveness, and that's all you can do. But everyone is offered a chance to come to repentance, and that's doing the exact opposite of someone who would be accountable for the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

wingnut · 08-13-2007, 12:41 PM

Hi All

Hebrews 6:4 illustrates the need to be "enlightened" by the Holy Spirit before one can possible "blaspheme" against this Spirit. "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance".

If God offers you His best gift, you experience it and see the value of this gift - and then reject it finally and utterly - what more could God offer you?

Judas Iscariot, "tasted of the heavenly gift" and deliberately fell away, betraying Christ. This was a deliberate trampling of the Messiah and the Holy Spirit underfoot. Judas is "lost" forever, a son of perdition (John 17:12). Rev 20:8 describes the rebellious unsaved who remain at the end of the age as being "the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

Both backsliding Christians and unbelievers can commit the unpardonable sin. To "taste the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come" and then to utterly and finally reject this, is to commit the unpardonable sin.

The Pharisees and priests of Christ's day were in danger of eternal damnation. Christ warned them not to blaspheme the Spirit. Many of the Pharisees were hypocrites. Many KNEW that Christ was from God. The Pharisees were primarily politicians, not spiritual men. They were obsessed with holding onto their worldly power. Christ did not belong to their church or their political party. Nocodemus spoke for the Pharisees when he exposed their motives saying "Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him." (John 3:2).

Many rejected the working of the Holy Spirit through Christ because they wanted a Lion, not a Lamb. It can be very offensive when God does not perform up to our expectations. The Pharisees (and Judas) clearly had a problem with the gentle Messiah (Matt 12:18-24). They wanted a Messiah who would route the Romans, not heal the sick. Thus they scoffed at Christ's "whimpish" miracles, and even ascribed these to Satanic forces. This was a deliberate misinformation campaign against Christ, not something they really believed. It was all in a day's work for the Pharisees, to "shut up the kingdom of heaven against men" (Matt 23:13).

The High Priests, Annas and Caiaphas were also accused of having the "greater sin" (John 19:11) which is close to the unpardonable sin.

What do the sins of Judas, the Pharisees and High Priest have in common?
They were premeditated.
They were hypocritical.
They knew they were doing wrong.
It was simply expedient for them to trample Christ and the Holy Spirit.
They did not sin under pressure (duress).
They knew they were fighting God.

Even Judas's "repentance" could not undo his 1st degree, premeditated sin.

Regards

EttaFire · 08-18-2007, 04:06 AM

I dont think it's possible to commit the unforgiveable sin.

For the last two thousand years, Jesus has been resurrected, and sits in Glory with the Father and the Holy Spirit. as our triune God and Lord.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was only possible while Jesus was a man on the earth, and it was only possible because The Holy Spirit filled Jesus with the fullness of God's anointing and power. The Pharisees accused Jesus of performing miracles by the power of Satan.

The blasphemy was unforgiveable because they rejected the diety of God, and the possibility of salvation and redemption. The Pharisees (in essence) were calling the Holy Spirit, Satan, and calling Jesus a Satan worshipper.

Today Jesus has defeated Satan on the cross, He is risen, He has the keys to death and hades. Now it is possible to say, "For God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son, and WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM, shall be saved."

That implies that NO SIN is unforgiveable anymore.

wingnut · 08-18-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by EttaFire

I dont think it's possible to commit the unforgiveable sin.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was only possible while Jesus was a man on the earth
That implies that NO SIN is unforgiveable anymore.

Hi EttaFire

Consider the warnings given tin Rev 3 which has an end-time setting. The warnings are given to 7 churches which are clearly Christs (but with problems). They reflect 7 attitudes present in the end time Christian churches. Lets examine your position that its impossible for a Christian to commit an unforgiveable sin today (the end-time)

Revelation 2:7 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."
Isn't there a condition, i.e. that one must overcome? It does not say "to all Christians will I give to eat of the tree of life"

8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write;.. be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."
Isn't there a condition here, that one must be faithful, even to death by martyrdom?

11 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. "
Again, its a conditional statement that only Christians who "overcome" will not be hurt by eternal death. Remember that this is a message to the Christian church (Smyrna).

Revelation 3:
4 "Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white:"
Doesn't this tell us that some Sardis Christians have in fact defiled their garments and will not walk with Christ in white?

"for they are worthy. 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life"
Doesn't the above say that some in the church will have their names blotted out of the book of life? How do you read it?

14 "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;... 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. "
Doesn't this sound pretty final, that Christ will reject them unless they change?

Boanerges · 08-18-2007, 02:54 PM

It is indeed possible or Jesus would't have mentioned it. I do not believe one can foolishly commit such and act as I believe it requires the same hardness of heart that the pharisee's demonstrated while looking right into the face of the Living God- this is not a slip of the lip but they deliberate and calculatingly attempted to supplant God's power and position but refusing to recognize His moving and stick to there own plan of control - this was very similar to lucifers own act of rebellion- I will exault, I will mak, etc- nosubmission to God's plans and purposes but self exaultation the same heart is demonstrated with these people:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Lord didn't we do this, Lord didn't we do that- not only was their religion based on works and not grace but it was indeed look at what I did- not based on Jesus's example of speaking the whay the Father said and doing what the Father led Him to do- this was not the Father's will at all but glorifying of thier own flesh

freedfromdestruction · 08-19-2007, 11:17 AM

The bible, and most important Jesus, does not agree with you. The bible says that who so ever speaks a word against the Spirit will not be forgiven. It even gives an example. The idea that someone rejects the truth is not the blasphemy. that would be the rejection of salvation. However speaking against the Spirit with knowledge IS blasphemy. That is what the bible teaches and we need to be careful not to add too it. God bless.

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Originally Posted by daniel2macarius

Question:
The verse that says "Therefore I say to you, every sin and
blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy
against the Spirit will not be forgiven " (Matt. 12:31)
alarm me very much. Sometimes I think that I
committed the sin of blasphemy so I fall into despair.
Please explain the meaning of the blasphemy against the
Holy Spirit? And how is that there is no forgiveness
either in this age or in the age to come? How does this
unforgiveness coincide with the mercy of God and His
many promises?
Answer:
All your fears are temptations from the devil to make you fall
into despair so be comforted.
As for the meaning of the blasphemy against the Spirit and
the sin that is without forgiveness, this, with the grace of
God I shall explain to you.
The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not the unbelief in
the Holy Spirit or His Divinity or His work and it is notinsulting of the Holy Spirit. If the atheists believe, God forgives
them for their unbelief and their mockery of God and His Holy
Spirit. All those who followed Macedonius in his heresy and his
denial of the Divinity of the Holy Spirit, when repented the church
accepted, them and forgave them.
What then is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? And why
there is no forgiveness for it?
The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the complete and
continuous refusal of any work of the Spirit in the heart which
is a life time refusal.
As a result of this refusal, man does not repent and accordingly
God does not forgive him.
God in His mercy accepts every repentance and forgives as He
said, "The one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out"
(John 6:37) and the saints were correct in their saying: "All that
the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to
Me I will by no means cast out".
[There is no sin without forgiveness except that without
repentance].
So if a person dies in his sin without repentance, he will perish as
the Lord said "Unless you repent you will all likewise perish "
(Luke 13:5).
Then non repentance till death is the only sin that is withoutWhat is the relation between lack of repentance and the
blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
Obviously, a person cannot repent without the work of the Spirit
in him. For the Holy Spirit will reprove the world of sin (John
16:8) and lead the person in the spiritual life and encourage him.
He is the power that aids in every good work.
Without the communion of the Holy Spirit, no one can
accomplish any spiritual work.
So the refusal of the communion of the Holy Spirit (2 Cor 13:14)
absolutely can not produce any good. For all the works of
righteousness the apostle had put under the title "fruit of the
Spirit" (GaL 5:22). That person without any fruit will be cut
down and thrown into the fire (Matt. 3:10) & (John 15:4-5).
He who refuses the Spirit, will not repent, and will not bring
forth any spiritual fruit.
If his refusal of the Spirit is a complete and life long refusal, then
he will spend all his life without repentance, without works of
righteousness and without fruit of the Spirit, so of course he will
perish. This is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
It is not that the person grieves the Spirit (Eph. 4:30) or quenches
the Spirit (1Thess. 5:19) or resists the Spirit (Acts 7:51) but it is
the complete and persistent refusal of the Spirit. So he would not
repent and would not have fruits in a righteous life.
Here we are faced with a question:What if a person refuses all works of the Spirit then turns back
and accepts Him and repents?
We say that his repentance and acceptance of the Spirit even just
before the end of his life, is an indication that the Spirit of God
still works in him and led him to repentance. Then his refusal of
the Spirit was not complete and not life long. A case like this is
not a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit according to the definition
mentioned before.
To fall into a sin that has no forgiveness is a form of a war of
the devil against us to make us fall into despair which will
destroy us, make us depressed; and that does not help us in any
spiritual work.
To the person that asked the question I say: the mere asking of the
question is an indication of your concern about eternal fate. This
is not blasphemy against the Spirit.
Now we need to answer the last part of the question.
How this unforgiveness coincides with the mercy of God?
God is always ready to forgive and nothing prevents His
forgiveness, but the important thing is that the person repents to
deserve forgiveness.
If the person refuses repentance, God waits for his repentance till
the uttermost breath of his life, as happened with the thief at the
Lord's right hand. If the person refuses to repent all his life and
refuses the work of the Spirit in him till the time of his death then
he not God-blessed be His name would be responsible for the
perishing of his soul.

Boanerges · 08-19-2007, 03:06 PM

"However speaking against the Spirit with knowledge is blasphemy"

I am not sure that you and I didn't just say the same thing-

freedfromdestruction · 08-19-2007, 06:13 PM

Yes I think we did.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boanerges

"However speaking against the Spirit with knowledge is blasphemy"

I am not sure that you and I didn't just say the same thing-

Dusty · 08-19-2007, 09:46 PM

In the NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible....... It says : Blasphemy is the unpardonable sin referring to basphemy against the Holy Spirit.( Matt 12 :31; Mark 3:28-29 ; Luke 12 :10 ) There is much difference of opinion as to the meaning of this sin, but one of the most popular and likely views is that the sin involves decisively and finally rejecting the testimony of the Holy Spirit regarding the person and work of Jesus Christ.

So in essence I would stick to the theory that any one who rejects the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal Saviour is catagorized in that group who are blaspheners of the Holy Spirit.

That is why it is up to us to get the gospel to the unsaved as there is not much time left before the coming of our Lord.

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