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Old 07-20-2007, 07:03 AM   #11
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This is the only heaven unbelievers will ever know, and the only hell believers will ever know. There is no waiting room, purgatory, sleeping in the grave until the resurrection, and we go directly to heaven or hell upon our death. As Paul said, "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." Once I am absent from my body (which I will be upon death--unless I'm Raptured first), I WILL be present with the Lord.
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Explain about total consumption......

Total consumption or total annihilation ….These scriptures are dealing with the final judgment in which the fire will consume those and those who have rejected God and done evil………….
It would be irresponsible With Rev. 21:4 to have people tormented forever
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.



Matthew 13

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity

I should have spelled it out instead of abbreviating it …….

“Here is the first mentions of sinners being cast into the lake of fire, in Rev. John identifies this as the second death …total consumption, not eternal torment”
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Old 07-20-2007, 08:44 PM   #13
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are we not in the waiting room?up for good down for bad .we in middle seeing where we go?
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This is the only heaven unbelievers will ever know, and the only hell believers will ever know. There is no waiting room, purgatory, sleeping in the grave until the resurrection, and we go directly to heaven or hell upon our death. As Paul said, "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." Once I am absent from my body (which I will be upon death--unless I'm Raptured first), I WILL be present with the Lord.
I can better explain my reason or position on “why we don’t go directly to heaven or hell after death” when I post on the soul, which I will do possibly on Monday
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A right down lie and ridiculous...
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A right down lie and ridiculous...
Come-on JesusReignsForever quit beating around the bush………tell me how you really feel
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In Luke 16, Jesus Christ gives a frightening picture of hell:
22 . . . the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into thisplace of torment.
(Luke 16:22-28)
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are we not in the waiting room?up for good down for bad .we in middle seeing where we go?
I like what SC had to say~
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For anyone to be so righteous as to be sure of their everlasting heavenly reward before their judgement is a fool in my opinion. We are all sinners. To think for a moment that you DESERVE eternity in heaven is prideful. Instead, I live with the faith that God will do with me what he will. That is the only certainty I allow myself.

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Waslost,
actually, when we were talking about Once saved always saved on here, I felt like that is being self righteous.

I am not judging anyone but this is what I feel about it.
All I can do is live my life serving God, pray and hope I am saved.
To be so sure of salvation on my part does make me feel self righteous.

I pray God finds favor in me as his servant!
I will never feel worthy of his unconditional love.
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