Silent Hell - Page 2

lostandfound · 06-14-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PreachingTruth

Is this matter not important enough to deserve our utmost attention? Why does Joel Osteen, that poster boy for Colgate, refuse to warn the lost of their impending doom?

Why does Rick Warren preach only of love, unity, and helping the poor?

The answer is simple, my friends. They're liars and deceivers!

I don't know the words of that preachers, but that doens't affect the message I want to tell you.

First of all:

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How can you say, â€œMy friend, let me take the speck out of your eye,â€ when you don't see the log in your own eye?

How can you call them liars, when you are not perfect yourself. Instead of helping them, or improve him, you say he is a liar.
Why don't you start writing a book about hell yourself? There are books about hell, and that we can burn there, if we are not good Christians.

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Everyone, has his own gift and knowledge, maybe those two people that you called, have the knowledge of love, and heaven, but not of pain and hell. Why should they need to write/preach about something where they don't know about?

Hell is a subject that need to be told about in the church and in books, but, do not complain about writers, that don't do that.

Boanerges · 06-14-2007, 06:32 PM

First I would like to say I genuinely care about everyone here at CFS-
This site is open to all types of discussion and everyone is free to express their attitudes but it would honor Christ if we were to keep this in mind:
Just because you don't agree with your brother it does not give the right to slander or insult them- in fact Jesus taught " love ye oneanother" and the scripture declares that if you find fault to "go to THAT brother and restore such a one in meekness".
I suggest we work out our own logs before we try to take out our brothers speck- if you are like me that should keep you busy for some time- I say all these things with the deepest love and respect- your brother Larry

PreachingTruth · 06-15-2007, 05:22 AM

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How can you call them liars, when you are not perfect yourself.

John the Baptist refered to the Pharisees as "generation of vipers." (Matthew 3:7) Was John a perfect man? Certainly not. But are we not to correct error, and expose false teachers?

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How can you say, â€œMy friend, let me take the speck out of your eye,â€ when you don't see the log in your own eye?.

Please read Romans 2

Also, it was Christ who said "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." (John 7:24) There is a time and a place for exposing false doctrine and its ministers.

Regarding Mr. Osteen: he says he is not called to take a stand on the issue of homosexuality. He refuses to emphasize the necessity of repentance to be saved. This isn't the Gospel of Christ, but of man!

But if your interpretation of Jesus' words is correct, we cannot hold anyone accountable for anything. It is this philosophy which has opened the door to homosexuality in the church, clergywomen, and widespread apostasy.

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Everyone, has his own gift and knowledge, maybe those two people that you called, have the knowledge of love, and heaven, but not of pain and hell.

If the Gospel is to be preached, a call for repentance is crucial. First a preacher must address the problem (sin, death); then he must present the solution (Christ). This is Biblical preaching.

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Why should they need to write/preach about something where they don't know about?

If they don't know about sin and repentance, they're not Christians. I am not saying it is pleasant to preach on these subjects. The topic of Hell should certainly be preached with tears. Yet, preached it must be.

violet · 06-15-2007, 11:10 AM

I feel like Pastor Gary is so right on post #8

violet · 06-15-2007, 11:21 AM

I agree we should not wrongfully judge others but I also have to say that if ANY man of God does not preach or teach the entire Gospel, repeatedly, in respectable amounts of time, he is not doing the work of God.
The entire truth has to be taught.
All of it.
I like what someone said about balance.

lostandfound · 06-15-2007, 12:02 PM

boanerges: What I said, wasn't an attack or something, it was only a post against someones other post.
I'm sorry if anyone thought that I wrote it, with an aggressive meaning.

PreachingTruth:
Why are they false preachers?
a false preacher denies things(!), but who says they do?

Mr Osteen is wrong then, I agree with that, but what I already told, I don't know their books or preachings .

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If they don't know about sin and repentance, they're not Christians. I am not saying it is pleasant to preach on these subjects. The topic of Hell should certainly be preached with tears. Yet, preached it must be.

question: I know about my sin, and I know about hell. But I can not preach about it. Why not? I have not enough knowledge about that subject!
so they maybe just don't enough about it.

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If the Gospel is to be preached, a call for repentance is crucial. First a preacher must address the problem (sin, death); then he must present the solution (Christ). This is Biblical preaching.

why?
I agree it need to be told, I totally agree with that.
But if someone write books, he does not have to begin with sin, I believe, everyone need to write about what he want, and know. Not about something they don't want, because they have not enough knowledge about it.

why don't you ask Tim Lahaye to write about genesis?
He mostly write about the future, but is that wrong?

smellycat · 06-15-2007, 09:21 PM

wait a minute,jesus rebuked his own apostles.to have conflict in discussions is necesary,being emotional about belief sometimes makes us say daft things.cool down everyone.

violet · 06-15-2007, 09:35 PM

It is true, IMO, if we do not have full knowledge of something we should not take on the responsibility as a preacher or teacher,with God's word.
I am talking about someone who takes on the role of preaching the Gospel.
Shouldn't it be preached in fullness, if you claim to be a 'teacher' of salvation?

PreachingTruth · 06-15-2007, 10:32 PM

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Why are they false preachers?

Because they don't preach the Gospel of repentance. Their Cross is a source of power and wealth, rather than humility and faith.

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I know about my sin, and I know about hell. But I can not preach about it. Why not? I have not enough knowledge about that subject!
so they maybe just don't enough about it.

If you are a preacher, you should know! Even so, it is not important to know the doctrine of Hell as much as the simple reality of Hell. We know Hell is terrible, Hell is eternal, and Hell is the conclusion to a Christless life. That is all we must know to preach the Gospel effectively.

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But if someone write books, he does not have to begin with sin, I believe, everyone need to write about what he want, and know.

I never said anything about books.

I'm talking about the pulpit.

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if we do not have full knowledge of something we should not take on the responsibility as a preacher or teacher,with God's word.

A preacher has a responsibility to know the scriptures. If a preacher doesn't know about Hell, he better open his Bible and learn about it.

Boanerges · 06-17-2007, 02:36 PM

You can preach the bible cover to cover for a lifetime and not even scratch the surface let alone cover it all-

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