MartyLK

I do and you should too. Jesus said "This *is* my body, this *is* my blood". See my quote of scripture in a previous post in this thread.

Also, I'll leave you to God's word. If you choose to twist it in your mind, that's your problem, I'll not speak anymore on the matter. If people won't listen to the Holy Spirit, they certainly won't listen to me.

JesusReignsForever

I stand corrected...it wasnt hell that he descended to it was some sort of prison in which lost souls where in..

PreachingTruth

And I have already proven with scripture that He was speaking in spiritual terms. Jesus is the bread of life; but a piece of bread is not Jesus! Whosoever comes to Him shall not hunger. But consume a Eucharist wafer, and you shall hunger again. Duh!

So what type of bread is automatically Jesus? Is there a certain baking technique required to ensure Divine presence in the bread? Is Jesus present in Wonder Bread? I've always enjoyed Wonder Bread. I don't much care for rye bread, however - is Jesus present in rye bread? I hope it's not blasphemy to reject rye.

I defeated you with the Word of God. This is why you neglected to respond to the verses I posted. But, pride being the most stubborn sin of all, you refuse to acknowledge your error. Furthermore, as a final testament of your arrogance, you imply that anyone who thinks differently than you isn't listening to the Holy Spirit. Bold claim, if you ask me.

- PreachingTruth

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PreachingTruth

Actually, the idea that the bread is automatically Jesus, is even more foolish than the doctrine of transubstantiation...

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LA-girl

1 Peter 3:18-20 (NIV)

18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom[a] also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water...

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These verses simply say that the spirit who rescurrected Jesus and whom raised Him is the same spirit that God preached to the people before the flood in the days of Noah as you can find in Genesis 6:3: Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."

It is saying that the same spirit that preached to the people for 120 years in the days of Noah is the same spirit that raised up Jesus. It is not saying that Jesus went back to give those people a second chance.

(Resource: BibleAnswersLive)
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media/ra...am_archive.asp

Boanerges

Abrahams bossom was indeed the holding place for many who waited on the redeeming power of the cross.

MartyLK

Amen!

Boanerges

1. two things first let us love oneanother even when we don't agree about everything
2.Sorry for the cut and paste but it's getting late- we had this very discussion here once before @http://www.christianforumsite.com/showthread.php?t=2801&highlight=Jesus+hell
here is some research I posted:
Ok there are three Greek words in the New Testament for hell:
1.
G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

2.
G1067
γέεννα
geenna
gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.

3.G5020
ταρταρόω
tartaroō
tar-tar-o'-o
From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.

As you can see by the following scriptures it was prophesied that God would not leave Jesus's soul in hell using the first definition which never mentions eternal torture but instead was used to refer to the grave

Act 2:22 Ye men435 of Israel,2475 hear191 these5128 words;3056 Jesus2424 of Nazareth,3480 a man435 approved584 of575 God2316 among1519 you5209 by miracles1411 and2532 wonders5059 and2532 signs,4592 which3739 God2316 did4160 by1223 him846 in1722 the midst3319 of you,5216 as2531 ye846 yourselves also2532 know:1492
Act 2:23 Him,5126 being delivered1560 by the3588 determinate3724 counsel1012 and2532 foreknowledge4268 of God,2316 ye have taken,2983 and by1223 wicked459 hands5495 have crucified4362 and slain:337
Act 2:24 Whom3739 God2316 hath raised up,450 having loosed3089 the3588 pains5604 of death:2288 because2530 it was2258 not3756 possible1415 that he846 should be holden2902 of5259 it.846
Act 2:25 For1063 David1138 speaketh3004 concerning1519 him,846 I foresaw4308 the3588 Lord2962 always1223, 3956 before1799 my face,3450 for3754 he is2076 on1537 my3450 right hand,1188 that2443 I should not3361 be moved:4531
Act 2:26 Therefore1223, 5124 did my3450 heart2588 rejoice,2165 and2532 my3450 tongue1100 was glad;21 moreover1161, 2089 also2532 my3450 flesh4561 shall rest2681 in1909 hope:1680
Act 2:27 Because3754 thou wilt not3756 leave1459 my3450 soul5590 in1519 hell,86 neither3761 wilt thou suffer1325 thine4675 Holy One3741 to see1492 corruption.1312

As you can see by the next scripture that Jesus claimed He would be in paradise
Luk 23:43 And2532 Jesus2424 said2036 unto him,846 Verily281 I say3004 unto thee,4671 Today4594 shalt thou be2071 with3326 me1700 in1722 paradise.3857

G3857
παράδεισος
paradeisos
par-ad'-i-sos
Of Oriental origin (compare [H6508]); a park, that is, (specifically) an Eden (place of future happiness, “paradise”): - paradise.

This seems to imply that Jesus indeed went to Abraham's bosom

Luk 16:22 And1161 it came to pass,1096 that the3588 beggar4434 died,599 and2532 was(846) carried667 by5259 the3588 angels32 into1519 Abraham's11 bosom:2859 (1161) the3588 rich man4145 also2532 died,599 and2532 was buried;2290
Luk 16:23 And2532 in1722 hell86 he lifted up1869 his848 eyes,3788 being5225 in1722 torments,931 and seeth3708 Abraham11 afar off,575, 3113 and2532 Lazarus2976 in1722 his846 bosom.2859

G11
Ἀβραάμ
Abraam
ab-rah-am'
Of Hebrew origin [H85]; Abraham, the Hebrew patriarch. In Act_7:16 the text should probably read Jacob: - Abraham.
G2859
κόλπος
kolpos
kol'-pos
Apparently a primary word; the bosom; by analogy a bay: - bosom, creek.

This was apparently the holding place of God's righteous people waiting for the resurection of Christ to open the gates of heaven to them-

My opinion of this (and only my opinion) is that Jesus did not go to hell in the literal sense but instead went to a place of rest having already done His work which was evident when He said "it is finished"