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Old 07-12-2008, 02:31 PM   #11
 
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I guess this post is too long for most? Not too many responses.

I don't think that is the reason for no responses. When all is said ... what else is there to say except agree.? As you can see many people are reading.
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Old 07-12-2008, 02:58 PM   #12
 
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And yet our inner man is more like Christ daily:

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

We can only experience this newness of life as our minds are renewed and our thoughts line up with the Word of God. If God says our inner man is like Christ but we do not feel or understand that we are the very righteousness of God in Christ who is correct? We must be led of the Spirit and made new in our thinking.

Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;


What are we in Christ?:
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

By God's grace and power we are these things and much more all to His glory. We are sons of the Most High God.
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Old 07-15-2008, 07:50 PM   #13
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Hello, Boenerges,JeremiahD84 and Smellycat,
I am one man very very opposed to becoming like God. In this connection, in my previous post I have explained my fear. You are welcome to have a check on it. Be blessed. =Charles
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Well, God and christ both teach us we are to grow in God to become more- "Christ-like". this is not in looking like Him, but thinking and operating more like Him. Otherwise, how can you be a witness for christ, if not demonstrating His thinking and actions, as according to what God's Word declares of this?

We cannot become gods, but we are to think, act and live as Christ thought, acted and lived on earth also. The Holy Spirit dwells within us to help us to do this as well. Fear is of the devil and we are to work to stop his influence from keeping us from becoming the child of God, God is trying to work in each of us to become.

We will make mistakes, we will trip, fall etc. But God teaches us not to let Satan keep us down, but let the Holy Spirit pick us up again and go on. No human is exempt from this happening.

Charles-

Regardless of what you have experienced, you need to realize these are commands of God to become more like him. As Boenerges shows, Scriptures commands us to do this.

If you have mistakenly allowed Satan to mislead you, so what? You've learned from that right? Now, just don't let that happen again, while still following God's commands. Don't let Satan hold you back, from allowing God to help you become the "Christ-like" Child God wants and knows you can be for Him.

I knew of someone who quit reading God's Word and would never discuss it because not so long ago, they'd belonged to a cult that used God's Word in a very controlling way over thier followers. So, they refused to believe we had to deal with the "Law" whatsoever.

But, they finally realized, God's Word is necessary to learn, for understanding the guidelines to help us discern sin from good and to do the good and avoid sin. They realized, on our Site we were not Lording over people, but lovingly sharing God's Word for guidance, not control.

All people have the right to choose how they want to live. But, God also shows us, the results in the end for wanting to do things our way, rather than God's. And if fear of past mistakes, keeps us from following God correctly, Satan has then won, thru instilling fear in us as such.

That is something you will need to pray to God about and seek his will for you in this matter concerning your fear(s). but, God's Word has been made clear to you from others here what God expects. Now, its your choice to accept God's guidance by that, or go with Satan and reject it.

God bless!!
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:58 PM   #15
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Hello,
I will write short to have you read to the end.
You were not blessed by my writing I can tell that. However your writing is welcome. I agree to almost everything you wrote. I want to say:
1. You ethically failed to place my fear in the right context.
*The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom and the knowledge of The Holy One is Insight.
* The fear of God is hatred for sin. (More- Ps. 34:9, 66:16, 112:1, 115:11)
2. "I readily welcome all that My Spirit deems right." -Indeed not really very much of the godly attitude!
3. There is nothing that ever lived, nor ever lives, nor will ever be, that will ever be like God, not even compare. Blend this with the absolute fear of God and you will last through your wilderness unwaveredly hopefully, than they House of Israel. May The Spirit of God bear to thee witness if you allow my information treasured in my 13years of enthusiasm and Salvation in Jesus Name. Dear Friend let God be God. Let it be so and remain uncontaminated.
4. "We cannot become gods," You have eventually written it. However lets us all Show forth Christ who dwells within us. Maybe it is what you mean to say 'Christ-like.' However remember Christ is Kristos in Greek, which is Messiah in Hebrew, meaning Saviour
5. Think of what generates tendancies to fear God, and worship His Majesty. I NEVER fear anything else, whatever you meant. Was priviledge hearing from you, as you defended what you know. Tis good.=Charles.
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The scriptures simply do not back that up Charles:
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

We of course will never be God. God did however create man in His own image and our position in Christ is a restoration of this.
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The scriptures simply do not back that up Charles:
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I share alot in all you wrote previously and even here. You summed it down well.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
=When a man in our nature sees God he dies. That is why the Bible asks who can stand the day of the Lord's coming? The day is like a refiner's fire. 1Jn 3:2 is a complete assurance that we will not be in this nature, to die. But we will be in His Nature to see Him and live. We will be like Him and thus able to see Him, not merely His Glory like Moses did, but exactly see Him as He is.

Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
=Apostle Paul makes an emphasy similar to that in Rom.12:2, Of course this refers to us today, not in Heaven. That God Has laid a way of restoration to former nature Adam was, in the Image of Him that created man, which became practical to us with Christ illustrating it. "We of course will never be God."

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
=Once again a situation here on earth calling on us to live right, full of the Spirit of God, and able to behold the Glory of God because our Lord lives within us, revealing Him in us. This lifestyle builds a character gradually, that portrays God all through. You become what you ought to be in God, but you do not become God.

We of course will never be God. God did however create man in His own image and our position in Christ is a restoration of this.
You can reread your post above here, with my relevant additions please.
I needed you to reaffirm that we will be in new body forms we are not familiar with now, we will not be all knowlegeable. At least that is left to God. We will never be Gods. If we can share to let God, all is good.=Charles.

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Hello Christiano,
This Thread plus just a few other responses reminded me of the days we publicly shared and preached Word with very limited revelations if any, plus quoting scriptures and interpreting them our ways, unknowingly. If the recording was played to me, I would be offended at myself, actually very much.
I responded with intention to call for a need to have every word proceeding from God being understood carefully and in the context it exists. This is a lesson I have come to learn the hard way, through time. You have never preached yourself out and immediately after you learn that you almost struck it but sorry, you missed the entire context. The scripture you qouted in the preaching came out wrongly framed. etc.
It is safest to speak only when correct. Isn't it? I spoke rushingly and as the Bible say we will account for our words, I do not know how I will do it satisfactorily. You do not want to repeat it.
Finally: "If you have mistakenly allowed Satan to mislead you, so what?" This is not quit the response Jesus will make. Isn't it? Even when one has done so not by mistake but willingly, he is reminded of the Grace available and the wage of sin, kindly.
Allow me to stop there please. Bye.=Charles.
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