WhiteLioness

I thought God was agape love. But I found a few verses that suggest he actually hated people.

Rom 9:13 -- As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Strong's Concordance translates the word "hated" in that verse above as...

to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
2) to be hated, detested hate 41, hateful 1

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26).

Strong's Concordance translates the word "hate" in that verse above as...

1) to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
2) to be hated, detested

"The Lord tries the righteous: but the wicked and him that loves violence his soul hateth." (Psa.11:5).

Strong's Concordance translates the word "hateth" in that verse above as...

to hate, be hateful
a) (Qal) to hate
1) of man
2) of God
3) hater, one hating, enemy (participle) (subst)
b) (Niphal) to be hated
c) (Piel) hater (participle)
1) of persons, nations, God, wisdom

hate 136, enemies 3, enemy 2, foes 1, hateful 1, misc 3

Hos.9:10-17 -- All their wickedness [is] in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes [are] revolters.

Strong's Concordance translates the word "hated" in that verse above as...

1) to hate, be hateful
a) (Qal) to hate
1) of man
2) of God
3) hater, one hating, enemy (participle) (subst)
b) (Niphal) to be hated
c) (Piel) hater (participle)
1) of persons, nations, God, wisdom hate 136, enemies 3, enemy 2, foes 1, hateful 1, misc 3





God said HE would love them no more. The opposite of love is hate...he would love them no more.

So what do you think of Strong's Condordance? And about these verses?

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Romans 10:9-13 -- 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Acts 4:12 -- Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 3:17 -- For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 14:6 -- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Whoever makes fun of these Scriptures is not going to have the last laugh, I can guarantee you that! This a very serious matter of utmost gravity and sincerity. Your life hangs in the balance. Believe on the name of the Lord and be saved. Read what Romans 10 says above and do that proceedure. Become one of HIS saints.

Mark_18

All it takes is spiritual cutting off from Him, and bam, they are darkness - not in Him, and because they are not love, they do not partake in the love, and if not loved, you're hated.

Just thinking. Time to go to bed though and let the brain crash.

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Luke 15:31 - And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
Joel 2:28 - I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.
Matthew 7:7 - Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Psalms 126:5 - Those who sow in tears will reap with songs of joy.

JOKE POLICE

Ben

“A woman once said to Charles Haddon Spurgeon, ‘I cannot understand why God should say that He hated Esau.’ ‘That,’ Spurgeon replied, ‘is not my difficulty, madam. My trouble is to understand how God could love Jacob.’”

Jacob was a scoundrel. In fact his name means "cheater" yet God chose him as the heir of salvation. Just like us, we are all cheaters (or worse) yet God has chosen some of us for salvation.

Ben

KitsapGirl

Esau was a fool...I THINK this is why God hated him...

Quote:

Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Psalm 49:10 For he seeth that wise men die, likewise the fool and the brutish person perish, and leave their wealth to others. Proverbs 10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall. Proverbs 10:18 He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool. Proverbs 11:29 He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.

The Bible is full of verses that show a disgust toward fools in general...

Esau traded his birthright to his brother Jacob for a bowl of food...very foolish indeed...I suspect that this was only one example of his foolishness.

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Boanerges

That is a common and complete mistranslation and misrepresentation of Jacob. His name means supplanter which translates one who takes the place of. God saw in this young man a heart that hungered for Him and was desirous of His blessing as opposed to Esau who traded his blessing for a plate of beans.

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“Neither skill nor knowledge is needed to go to God, all that is necessary is a heart dedicated entirely and solely to Him out of love for Him above all others.”
Brother Lawrence

KitsapGirl

Noahs 1828 Definition....

Quote:

SUPPLANT', v.t. [L. supplanto; sub and planta, the bottom of the foot.] To trip up the heels. 1. To remove or displace by stratagem; or to displace and take the place of; as, a rival supplants another in the affections of his mistress, or in the favor of his prince. 2. To overthrow; to undermine. UNDERMI'NE, v.t. 1. To sap; to excavate the earth beneath, for the purpose of suffering to fall, or of blowing up; as, to undermine a wall. 2. To excavate the earth beneath. Rapid streams often undermine their banks and the trees growing upon them. 3. To remove the foundation or support of any thing by clandestine means; as, to undermine reputation; to undermine the constitution of the state. CLANDESTINE, a. Secret; private; hidden; withdrawn from public view. It often bears an ill sense, as implying craft or deception, or evil design.

mistranslation, maybe...but pretty close to accurate...the examples of Jacobs deceit are many...and it seems to be a family trait

Mom (Rachel) instructs Jacob to trick his father into believing he is Esau...

Laban tricks Jacob into marrying Leah...

Jacob tries to steal Labans flocks (God instead blessed Jacob with the flocks)...

Rachel steals the family Idol (inheritance, I've been told)...


This is my favorite Bible story...

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Dusty

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The Nature of God

Man has a sin problem, but God has the solution and the answer. John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life". God is truly a loving God to give His only begotten Son to die for us. That is the ultimate of love. Nothing could be greater.
Not only is God a loving God, but the Bible speaks of other aspects of God’s nature. God is a vengeful God. In Hebrews 10:30-31 we read, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord. And again, the Lord will judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God". Most people like to think of God as only a loving God, and nothing else; but this is not true. On the day of judgment, the majority of people will find out just how fearful, that it is to fall into the hands of the living God.
Not only is the Lord loving and vengeful, but he is also just. Jesus says in John 5:30 (KJV), "I can of my own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just". Yes, when we stand before the Lord on the Day of Judgment, he will be just. But justice demands that guilt be punished. Let me give you an example. Just suppose I went out and robbed a bank, and was caught. Also suppose that the judge and I were good friends. So the judge calls me up to his bench and whispers to me that he doesn’t want to send me to prison for twenty years. He tells me, that if I will quietly walk out the back door, that he will tear up all the paperwork, nothing will be said, and I can go free. Would he be a just judge? No way. But God is a just God, and can be no less.

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Boanerges

I do not mind if we disagree on this. I am just pointing out the obvious that is often missed as interpretations seem to be accepted as truth without much thought. I wonder how many things we have taken for granted and missed God's truth completely? Anyway just food for though-

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יעקב
ya‛ăqôb
yah-ak-obe'
From H6117; heel catcher (that is, supplanter); Jaakob, the Israelitish patriarch: - Jacob.

Heel catcher - supplanter- His name was merely prophetic of his life- chosen by God to replace his brother to receive God's blessing which his brother did not value in the least.

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“Neither skill nor knowledge is needed to go to God, all that is necessary is a heart dedicated entirely and solely to Him out of love for Him above all others.”
Brother Lawrence

Adstar

I had to delete your verses from my quote because i am not allowed to post links untill i meet a certain set number of posts. Even though i am not posting links but only quoting someone else who has already posted the link.



God hates those who love Evil. Yes God hates. But He is also full of mercy for those who hate evil and have a contrite heart towards His will.

Proverbs 6
16 These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.

Feet that are swift in running to evil describes someone who loves evil, And pride has always been a block to contrition and repentance.

Isaiah 57
15 For thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “ I dwell in the high and holy place,With him who has a contrite and humble spirit, To revive the spirit of the humble, And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

smellycat

esau diddn,t want God jacob did.God only wants people who know they need him,that is what i know,i need all the help i can get.