Boanerges

Spencer it is important to understand that tripartite nature of man. We receive a new spirit from God when we are born again. We get a new body when we are resurrected - Jesus is the Savior of our soul (mind, will, intellect, emotions, etc.).Scripturally we are perfect in our new spiritual man (1Jn 5:18) and we have complete favor with God now. God has not accepted us based on our righteousness but on the imparted righteousness of Jesus Christ.

Our soul is renewed according to the Word of God as revealed by the Holy Spirit- when we believe the Word of God our mind is renewed in that area.

The point is we are excepted in the beloved and we are blessed by and have favor with God now. Read the book of Ephesians to see what God has already done in and for us.
Some of our works bring glory to God and are gold, silver and precious stones- others are wood , hay and stubble and will be burned but that does not affect the gift of salvation.

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Anything that dims my vision for Christ, or takes away my taste for Bible study, or cramps me in my prayer life, or makes Christian work difficult, is wrong for me; and I must, as a Christian turn away from it. – J. Wilbur Chapman

Fluffy

Spencer, I think what this passage is saying is that if someone is in a deadly sin, not to pray for THEM. (all caps placed to put emphasis and focus on the word) It doesnt mean that if YOU are the one doing the deadly sin, that YOU cannot repent and turn around and make yourself right with God. There have been many, many people that were in deadly sins, and repented and were made free. And there are many, many people that dont and die.
Abraham was called a 'Friend of God'. Was there anything special about him? No, only that he walked with God and listened to Him and talked with Him. We can do the same thing as well, for God is not a respecter of persons. Matthew 22:16

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Spencer80

If our spirits are one with God, why can't we pray for forgiveness directly with God for those "deadly sins"?

If indeed we could, I would say that we would be forever in favour with God!

However, can't you say our spirits, minds, and bodies are fully linked to each other, therefore creating such a link that there is no link?

We are humans. We do have spirits and minds, but as we are in a human shell, don't we defile them, thus making them not "one" with God.

Does that make sense?

We will never be perfect, no part of us until we ascend because we indeed are still sinners (even though we may have been saved by Jesus. I haven't quite read anything yet that says Jesus forgives FUTURE sins [i.e. post "saved"]). Correct me if I am wrong.

Going to 1 John 5:18. It does say that those who are God's Children do not sin, however, I'm sure you know none of us are free from sin and never will be until we die, for a sinless life is impossible for our souls in a human shell.

Would you mind if you found that verse about how we receive a whole new spirit post "saving"? I don't think I'm really interpreting it correctly.

I'll take a look at Ephesians and see what's up .

Interesting thought about the verse I quoted. I'll look into it a little bit more.

But the point I'm trying to get with it is not that YOU should do this or that, but the way of repentance. If you shouldn't help this sinner repent, don't you think it is pretty dire what he has committed? Why should God not accept your prayers to forgive.

Also perhaps if you look into another verse: John 20:21-23
“As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” When he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

Maybe by John saying that you should not pray for the sinners mean that their sins will be retained you know? I don't know I just thought of that, I'll get back with more indepth analysis later.

Boanerges

There is only one sin that will not be forgiven. All the rest are cleansed as soon as we receive forgiveness from the One who ever lives to make intercession for us.

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Anything that dims my vision for Christ, or takes away my taste for Bible study, or cramps me in my prayer life, or makes Christian work difficult, is wrong for me; and I must, as a Christian turn away from it. – J. Wilbur Chapman

Spencer80

Any biblical evidence? I know that is what many people seem to think (what I thought as well!) but I haven't come across much biblical evidence to prove it. It's the lack of evidence that scares me, and boy do I NOT want to be wrong.

Spencer80

This is a quote from Boanerges in the "adam and eve had free will" thread. Just thought this was pretty relevant here.

We being humans, sin. When we sin, we harm our spiritual relationship with God, yes?

So how can we be "one with God/Christ" as a human, if we consistently break our relationship with God?

Mellow

It means to be One as in be like God. He truly wants us to be like Him, He's serious. He also wants us to be perfect, just like our Father in heaven is perfect.

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Boanerges

Show me a single scripture that any sin besides specifically blaspheming the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven? There is none. The scriptures my friend do not tell us everything but they tell us everything wee need to know. Do not underestimate the power fo the blood of Christ.

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Anything that dims my vision for Christ, or takes away my taste for Bible study, or cramps me in my prayer life, or makes Christian work difficult, is wrong for me; and I must, as a Christian turn away from it. – J. Wilbur Chapman

Boanerges

Luk 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.


We indeed can be spiritually united with Christ. Our souls can only experience that as we are renewed in our minds. If we have an unclean conscience this does indeed keep us from approaching God but this problem is on our end. He promises us to forgive us and cleanse us from our iniquities which is the tendency to sin. He also promised that He would not remember our sins after we repent and confess- so there we are forgiven but may still be feeling to guilty to come near the Father as He waits for His prodigal to come home- or we may be wasting our time trying to do penance or perform some act to make ourselves feel good enough to come near (though He has already forgiven and forgotten). We have never had this ability and never will and yet we are excepted in the beloved on the basis of the goodness of His Son imparted to us.

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

If we believe God we will see things come to pass that are quite impossible for us in our own strength. His Word and promise is good and will not fail.
There is one way to walk in the perfect will of our Father and that is (like the example Jesus gave us) to walk in total obedience to and complete submission to the Holy Spirit. It is as we submit our hearts and lives that we abide in the heavenly vine and the very life of God flows in us causing us to grow and bear godly fruit for His kingdom.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh

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Anything that dims my vision for Christ, or takes away my taste for Bible study, or cramps me in my prayer life, or makes Christian work difficult, is wrong for me; and I must, as a Christian turn away from it. – J. Wilbur Chapman

Jon-Marc

I believe it means to think with the mind of God. His thoughts become our thoughts. We hate sin as He does and desire righteousness and holiness. I'm slowly getting there. After 45 years of following Him, I've still got a long way to go. Trusting and living by faith are not easy for me. I would never be so pious and self-righteous as to say that I've arrived. That was what the Pharisees did, and Jesus called them hypocrites.