InHisLove

Thanks. I never thought of it this way.

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Jon-Marc

I saw a "man" on a TV talk show once (I normally don't watch talk shows, but that one caught my eye.) who had been changed into a woman, got saved, and then got changed back into a man. The end result left him looking rather feminine. I'm curious as to how they replaced what they had cut off.

SweetSurrender

They get a new body in Heaven anyway, but I don't think God requires anyone to change their body to get into Heaven.

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Mark_18

I've been watching you grow too, it's so wonderful!

Praise the Lord!


Now I'm working on ridding of pride and the need to be noticed.

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Matthew 7:7 - Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Psalms 126:5 - Those who sow in tears will reap with songs of joy.

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ExCordeChristi

You know, I was just thinking about this. This whole new age of gender-neutrality is really destroying the natural order of things and smothering the answers to the questions, "what is man?" "What is women?"
How many people in this world actually know what it means to be their own sex? Women are trying to become men, and men are trying to become women... it's perverted and upsets the biological order.
As a result, I'm swearing to myself that I'm going to be a woman, not a man. So few women respect the fact that they're female, so it seems, and I'm not going to go against that God-given part of my identity. My womanhood is essential to who I am, as masculinity is essential to what man is. I don't think it is what this culture says at all; they don't know what gender identities are, which is why this country doesn't understand the function of marriage or the sexes. It is why anything goes with marriage, why divorce rates are up, and why most people are unhappy--they don't understand who they intrinsically are, and are doing everything possible to say, "there is no Truth" and therefore no answer, when there IS a Truth and an answer. They just haven't found Him yet.

Theophilus

There is no more requirment to attempt to change back ones gender apearance than there is to back up and remarry one first spouse. Jesus said"sin no more"

Besides those who have a so called "gender change" are becomeing eunachs. They give up their natural born ability to reproduce for the appearance of the other gender. What it amounts to is gental mutilation coupled with hormone induce gender appearance.

When smellycat started this thread I thought of cross gender role changes. Men and women,husbands and wives who reverse their role in their relationship and or interaction with the world.
This is more of a problem in marriage and church than physical gender change .
It is much more common and socialy acceptable.
There are strongly dominate women and predominately submissive men in the world and the church as well.

What kind of burden and or confussion does this place on those who strive to live by biblical direction????


Cliff

Whirlwind

The tabloids said: Oregon man is pregnant!

I thought - meh, that's nothing. It'll blow over.

Then she was on the internet. Then on Oprah. Now she's on the cover of some magazine.

I'm not going to call her "he" like everybody else is doing for one reason: God made this individual a woman. An operation doesn't change that. Her flesh body is and will always be woman.

She lives in the city two over from me, Bend, OR. They had a spread in a local paper, showing pictures of her when she was a bodybuilder. She looked like Demi Moore in 80s workout clothes. They also showed her female lover.

I try to be nice, people. I do! You all know this. I try to be accepting of everybody that I encounter...but with this? I just can't. The photos of her shirtless as a man, with pit hair, etc...and pregnant? It turned my stomach.

I'm so sorry (God) for judging, but I was physically ill. I'm afraid to go grocery shopping in Bend because I might see her pushing a cart around the store and I'm going to want to put my cabbage back because the sight of her made me ill.

She was born a woman. She went against that and had an operation to try to change herself into a man. After that operation (which wasn't completely finished) she became pregnant as a woman does. This woman wants the best of both worlds...and she can't have it.

She is still a woman, her pregnancy makes that clear. Her scars on her body (shown in the photo spread) make that clear. Hair and muscles a man does not make. A man is more than that. A man is a man down to his heart, as a woman is a woman down to her heart. Her core.

The Indian Shakers (Christian) believe that when we're called to heaven, our Father will look at us and realize that we weren't truly happy with the flesh body that He gave us. That's wrong, imprinted on our souls and on our spiritual bodies. He's going to say, "Who are you? You're not the one that I sent down there."

Anyway - I'm done with my editorial.

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Jon-Marc

From what I read, she said that she didn't have anything done to her reproductive organs-so she is still a she in my opinion--just with a beard. So what you've got are two women married to each other. I'm sure her "wife" didn't get her pregnant.

Whirlwind

This is what I don't get.

In Oregon, a few years back, they outlawed same-sex marriage. But this woman grows some hair and changes her name...that makes her a man in the eyes of the law? What about the eyes of God?

I'm not asking to start an argument. I'm asking because I can't comprehend. She wasn't finished with her operations, so she was still able to bare children. And yet she's legally called a man? To the point where she is now able to marry another woman?

Confusing. I hope she reaches out to find Christ before the baby is born.

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