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smellycat · 03-28-2008, 10:13 PM

so you agree God ,JESUS,and the holy spirit,have diffrent views,but after the same objective.are you learning your terms.so stop calling.

Orsone · 03-29-2008, 08:34 PM

With the greatest respect, I haven't got a clue what you just said. Can you expand on that a bit?

smellycat · 03-29-2008, 08:53 PM

3 that are seperate but are 1,same with christians.

el Pollo · 04-01-2008, 12:39 AM

Forgive me if I am wrong, but wouldn't that reduce the Triune nature of God to a simple triad?

Or maybe I'm not understanding...

Boanerges · 04-01-2008, 04:34 AM

There is One God with three distinct manifestations- the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God and there is One God. One plus One plus One = One in God's mathematics.

dgc · 04-01-2008, 04:55 AM

THE TRINITY: Yahweh is the TRIUNE God

"University" = unity plus diversity. Conceived for the USA seal in 1776, "E Pluribus Unum" = out of many (diversity), one. The philosopher's dream is for a proper mankind is "unity in diversity". We have an example in the divine realm in Christianity in the Divine Trinity (not the Satanic trinity). Our God exists simultaneously as 3 persons, all 3 of whom are in constant existence...having always been in constant existence (never created). The first indication is in Genesis in 1:1 with "God" being the plural name Elohim and then Genesis 1:26, "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness'..." Both Elohim and Adonai, in Hebrew, are examples of "compound unity" names...indicating "several or many in one".
Take the verse Deuteronomy 6:4 where Moses said, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our GOD is one LORD." In Hebrew it is, "Shema Israel, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai, Echad." The Jews call this verse the SHEMA. The SHEMA shows us that God, Elohim, is a UNITY in PLURALITY. The Hebrew word Elohim is a plural form, being a UNITY in PLURALITY. The "ELOHENU" of the SHEMA is "our God" and is a plural word form. The "Adonai," The Lord, is also a plural word. So the SHEMA clearly identifies God as a plural unity. The final word in the SHEMA is Echad and this settles it once and for all because Echad is a "compound unity" meaning "several or many in one." Yachid is another Hebrew word for "one" and it means "an absolute, indivisible unity." Because yachid is used hundreds of times in the Hebrew of the Old Testament Bible, it is never used to describe the "oneness" of God...echad is used.
We must keep clearly in mind that Moses was, himself, one of the great men of the entire history of mankind...surely with intellect and knowledge on a par with the greatest minds of human history. He was given personal instruction by God; so, it is inconceivable that Moses was simply careless in his choice of words.
The word "Trinity" is never used in the Bible, and the doctrine of trinitarianism is never explicitly taught in the Bible (the Holy Scriptures). The doctrine is put fourth through correlating Biblical themes and evidence. The emperor Constantine called a council of 318 bishops at Nicaea in 325AD to hammer out church variations of the doctrine of the Trinity...(unfortunately, the effort was marred by political pressure by Constantine) the result being a 316 to 2 vote in favor of the Athanasian position that God and Jesus are of one substance (resulting in the Niceen Creed...affirmed/ratified at council of Rome in 341 & council of Constantinople of 381).
God variously exists/functions as The Father, The Son (Jesus), and The Holy Spirit (The Holy Ghost). As to Jesus, The Savior: a savior not quite God would be like a bridge broken at its farther end, and one not quite human like a bridge broken at its beginning. So, pay close attention! Essential elements of the Trinity are:

God is one (Christianity is not polytheistic).

Each of the 3 within the "Godhead" is deity...not created.

The one-ness of God and the three-ness of God are not contradictory.

The Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is eternal.

Each of the 3 is of the same/equal essence, none being superior or inferior to another.

Each person of the Trinity is different in function and personhood, not one person with 3 modes.

God did not become incarnate, Jesus did; so we don't thank the Father for dying on the Cross.

Jesus was begotten but not created.

Jesus, fully God, became incarnate (John 1:14...the Word became flesh) as fully human (body, soul, & spirit...otherwise he would not be an actual redeemable human & could not have qualified as The Redeemer). Jesus the God-man

dgc · 04-01-2008, 05:09 AM

Name The FATHER The SON The HOLY GHOST
Yahweh ; "I AM" Jesus of Nazareth Holy Spirit

as to:divine essence
the FATHER: each same...He is the Head; God is "one"
the SON: each same...was a man for 30+ years & God is the Head of Jesus;
God is "one"...Jesus is God (Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1; Romans 1:5; Hebrews 1:8)
the HOLY Spirit: each same...H. S. not man-like, came like a rushing wind;God is "one"

as to a vineyard example (John 15:1-8)
the FATHER: is the gardener who prunes
the SON: the main vine [the true vine] (people are the branches)
the HOLY Spirit: not mentioned

as to:fundamental roles
the FATHER: has The Will, the agenda
the SON: is perfectly obedient; to the mission, shepherd, and be The Head of believers.
the HOLY Spirit: is perfectly obedient; is enabler of persons to become (say "yes") and be believers; is a promise of the Father (Luke 24); is a gift to every believer (Acts 2:38)

as to presence in the lives of God's chosen people
the FATHER:
BC: present but spoke thru prophets
AD: present but speaks thru The Word, prayer, circumstances, and the church
the SON:
BC: present but not realized & not incarnate
AD: has all authority on heaven and earth and is the Head of The Church
the HOLY Spirit:
BC: did not indwell all of the chosen; He only came upon especially chosen individuals for God's purposes
AD: He indwells each believer (by doing so He baptizes & causes the new birth) and is the agent by whom God "speaks"

as to: the truth of a person's profession of Christian faith
the FATHER:
simply desires (and set the way) for all to be saved and "draws" toward saving belief
the SON:
died to cancel sin for all & to redeem all; is author of one's faith; convicts of need to say "yes" to Jesus belief; only one knowing sincerity of profession
(Matthew 5:21)
the HOLY Spirit: enables to say "yes" to salvation

as to: eternality
the FATHER: yes, Psalms 90:2
the SON: yes, John 1:2 Revelations 1:8, 1:17
the HOLY Spirit: yes, Hebrews 9:14

as to: power
the FATHER: yes, equal: I Peter 1:5
the SON: yes, equal: 2 Corinthians 12:9
the HOLY Spirit: yes, equal: Romans 15:19

as to the WAYS of God
the FATHER: as to the WAYS of God
the SON: lived the example and spoke of the ways of God
the HOLY Spirit: instructs one as to the ways of God

as to the believer's intimate relationship with Jesus
the FATHER: wills it
the SON: desires it for you and leads into knowledge of it
the HOLY Spirit: enables the believer into the relationship and as to the mind of Christ

as to: holiness
the FATHER: equal, Revelations 15:4
the SON: equal, Acts 3:14
the HOLY Spirit: equal, Acts 1:8

as to: love
the FATHER: originator of love; His nature is love; possesses the will to extend love; is love I John 4:16
the SON: is the embodiment of love on earth & commands & leads to love of others
the HOLY Spirit: the conduit for pouring out love into the believer's heart
Romans 8:26-28 & works to enable love for others

dgc · 04-01-2008, 05:11 AM

as to: omniscience
the FATHER: yes, total, 100% Jeremiah 17:10

the SON: yes, 99.99999% Revelations 2:23 (Jesus doesn't know the time of His return...only the Father knows); John 14:28; Mark 13:32; John 5:19; & I Corinthians 15:28)

the HOLY Spirit: yes, 99.99999% I Corinthians 2:11 (only the Father knows the time of Christ's return)

as to: benevolence
the FATHER: thru it, God leads man toward repentance, toward "belief"
Romans 2:4
the SON: thru God's benevolence, Jesus cleanses believer, Ephesians 5:25
the HOLY Spirit: thru God's benevolence, the Spirit instructs and enables the believer, Nehemiah 9:20

as to: creation of the world
the FATHER: He conceived it and created it Gen.. 1:1
the SON: He was there from the beginning John 1:1-3, 10
the HOLY Spirit: hovered over it at beginning Gen.. 1:2

as to: creation of Man
the FATHER: formed the man Genesis 2:7
the SON: created man and man created for him Colossians 1:
the HOLY Spirit: his breath gives man life Job 33:4

as to: death of Christ
the FATHER: He conceived of and engineered the plan and agreed that such way was the only sufficient offset for the sins of mankind
the SON: He agreed to come to earth as a man, to play the role, to live and speak THE TRUTH, to be the Light of the world, and to undergo the details of all of the prophesies and suffer the death.
the HOLY Spirit: He came 50 days later, at Pentecost, to indwell believers therefrom, on into all the future ages Acts 2:1

as to:Sin
the FATHER: declared and defined sin
the SON: came to reveal sin
the HOLY Spirit: is always busy among people, and thru people and other means, urging the conviction of sin within the mind of a person (that person becomes CONVINCED...convicted)
"shouts" a warning to the believer about to fall off course

as to redemption of mankind
the FATHER: willed the process
the SON: willingly came, fully as a man, as the Father's obedient servant to accomplish The Father's will
the HOLY Spirit: came onto Jesus (as enablement ?...John 5:19) at his baptism (Mark 1:9)

as to salvation of an individual, role
the FATHER: designates/foreknowledges
The Elect
the SON: paid the redemption price and "knocks on the door"
...is the invitation to make a choice...for the "yes" hearer to say "yes"
the HOLY Spirit: LEADS individual to Jesus:
works thru those used to carry the Gospel that the message be conveyed
...quickens the mind and spirit of the "hearer"
...enables the "yes" hearer to hear
..."saves" the "yes" hearer by enabling him to say yes

as to prayer
the FATHER: loves, solicits, receives it
the SON: intercedes for the believer in behalf of it, as requested
the HOLY Spirit: aids the believer in discerning what, how, and why to pray;
will intercede for believer, as asked,
when believer does not know how or what to pray; our helper in prayer.

dgc · 04-01-2008, 05:14 AM

as to: omniscience
the FATHER: yes, total, 100% Jeremiah 17:10

the SON: yes, 99.99999% Revelations 2:23 (Jesus doesn't know the time of His return...only the Father knows); John 14:28; Mark 13:32; John 5:19; & I Corinthians 15:28)

the HOLY Spirit: yes, 99.99999% I Corinthians 2:11 (only the Father knows the time of Christ's return)

as to: benevolence
the FATHER: thru it, God leads man toward repentance, toward "belief"
Romans 2:4
the SON: thru God's benevolence, Jesus cleanses believer, Ephesians 5:25
the HOLY Spirit: thru God's benevolence, the Spirit instructs and enables the believer, Nehemiah 9:20

as to: creation of the world
the FATHER: He conceived it and created it Gen.. 1:1
the SON: He was there from the beginning John 1:1-3, 10
the HOLY Spirit: hovered over it at beginning Gen.. 1:2

as to: creation of Man
the FATHER: formed the man Genesis 2:7
the SON: created man and man created for him Colossians 1:
the HOLY Spirit: his breath gives man life Job 33:4

as to: death of Christ
the FATHER: He conceived of and engineered the plan and agreed that such way was the only sufficient offset for the sins of mankind
the SON: He agreed to come to earth as a man, to play the role, to live and speak THE TRUTH, to be the Light of the world, and to undergo the details of all of the prophesies and suffer the death.
the HOLY Spirit: He came 50 days later, at Pentecost, to indwell believers therefrom, on into all the future ages Acts 2:1

as to:Sin
the FATHER: declared and defined sin
the SON: came to reveal sin
the HOLY Spirit: is always busy among people, and thru people and other means, urging the conviction of sin within the mind of a person (that person becomes CONVINCED...convicted)
"shouts" a warning to the believer about to fall off course

as to redemption of mankind
the FATHER: willed the process
the SON: willingly came, fully as a man, as the Father's obedient servant to accomplish The Father's will
the HOLY Spirit: came onto Jesus (as enablement ?...John 5:19) at his baptism (Mark 1:9)

as to salvation of an individual, role
the FATHER: designates/foreknowledges
The Elect
the SON: paid the redemption price and "knocks on the door"
...is the invitation to make a choice...for the "yes" hearer to say "yes"
the HOLY Spirit: LEADS individual to Jesus:
works thru those used to carry the Gospel that the message be conveyed
...quickens the mind and spirit of the "hearer"
...enables the "yes" hearer to hear
..."saves" the "yes" hearer by enabling him to say yes

dgc · 04-01-2008, 05:22 AM

(sorry for the duplication)
as to vengeance
the FATHER: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. Romans 12:19
the SON: is a shield from it for the believer
the HOLY Spirit: no role
as to Judgment
the FATHER: authority and measurer of proper appeasement
the SON: passes all final judgment (John 5:22 & 27)
the HOLY Spirit: no role

as to spiritual gifts
the FATHER: no role
the SON: no role
the HOLY Spirit: distributes the particular gifts to particular believers

as to the believer's glorification of God
the FATHER: He desires it, receives it,
and loves it
the SON: He intercedes and delivers it (John 15:5)
the HOLY Spirit: He infuses the power to do so, originating in Jesus, into the believer (Philippians 4:13)

as to God speaking to believers
the FATHER: He "speaks"
the SON: He is the interceding link
the HOLY Spirit: He resides within the believer and gives the message through The Word (scripture), prayer, circumstances, and the Church.

as to knowing the will of God for yourself
the FATHER: He "wills" that you know it
the SON: He loves you toward desiring to know it
the HOLY Spirit: He guides and enables you into seeing, hearing, understanding what God's will is & what the mind of Christ is as to God's will
as to doing the will of God for yourself
the FATHER: it is His will that you come to know it
the SON: He loves you toward desiring to do it
the HOLY Spirit: He enables you to say "yes" in your decision to do it and enables you to do it.

as to:the local church
the FATHER: has His will for it
the SON: is the Head of it
the HOLY Spirit: manifests himself as the enabler within each believer for actions and experiences toward the common good of "the body of believers"...the church I Corinthians 12 Acts 2:38

as to: Resurrection from death
the FATHER: He wills that the children of God come to Him and His kingdom after their death (has possibly willed that all come to Him)
the SON: He is the actual mechanism for the resurrection of God's children
(John 11:25)
the HOLY Spirit:

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03-28-2008, 10:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
smellycat Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: uk Posts: 5,497 Rep Power: 7	so you agree God ,JESUS,and the holy spirit,have diffrent views,but after the same objective.are you learning your terms.so stop calling.

03-29-2008, 08:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Orsone Former Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: St Albans Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	With the greatest respect, I haven't got a clue what you just said. Can you expand on that a bit?

03-29-2008, 08:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
smellycat Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: uk Posts: 5,497 Rep Power: 7	3 that are seperate but are 1,same with christians.

04-01-2008, 12:39 AM	#14 (permalink)
el Pollo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Louisburg, NC Posts: 202 Rep Power: 1	Forgive me if I am wrong, but wouldn't that reduce the Triune nature of God to a simple triad? Or maybe I'm not understanding...

04-01-2008, 04:55 AM	#16 (permalink)
dgc Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: washington Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	THE TRINITY: Yahweh is the TRIUNE God "University" = unity plus diversity. Conceived for the USA seal in 1776, "E Pluribus Unum" = out of many (diversity), one. The philosopher's dream is for a proper mankind is "unity in diversity". We have an example in the divine realm in Christianity in the Divine Trinity (not the Satanic trinity). Our God exists simultaneously as 3 persons, all 3 of whom are in constant existence...having always been in constant existence (never created). The first indication is in Genesis in 1:1 with "God" being the plural name Elohim and then Genesis 1:26, "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness'..." Both Elohim and Adonai, in Hebrew, are examples of "compound unity" names...indicating "several or many in one". Take the verse Deuteronomy 6:4 where Moses said, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our GOD is one LORD." In Hebrew it is, "Shema Israel, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai, Echad." The Jews call this verse the SHEMA. The SHEMA shows us that God, Elohim, is a UNITY in PLURALITY. The Hebrew word Elohim is a plural form, being a UNITY in PLURALITY. The "ELOHENU" of the SHEMA is "our God" and is a plural word form. The "Adonai," The Lord, is also a plural word. So the SHEMA clearly identifies God as a plural unity. The final word in the SHEMA is Echad and this settles it once and for all because Echad is a "compound unity" meaning "several or many in one." Yachid is another Hebrew word for "one" and it means "an absolute, indivisible unity." Because yachid is used hundreds of times in the Hebrew of the Old Testament Bible, it is never used to describe the "oneness" of God...echad is used. We must keep clearly in mind that Moses was, himself, one of the great men of the entire history of mankind...surely with intellect and knowledge on a par with the greatest minds of human history. He was given personal instruction by God; so, it is inconceivable that Moses was simply careless in his choice of words. The word "Trinity" is never used in the Bible, and the doctrine of trinitarianism is never explicitly taught in the Bible (the Holy Scriptures). The doctrine is put fourth through correlating Biblical themes and evidence. The emperor Constantine called a council of 318 bishops at Nicaea in 325AD to hammer out church variations of the doctrine of the Trinity...(unfortunately, the effort was marred by political pressure by Constantine) the result being a 316 to 2 vote in favor of the Athanasian position that God and Jesus are of one substance (resulting in the Niceen Creed...affirmed/ratified at council of Rome in 341 & council of Constantinople of 381). God variously exists/functions as The Father, The Son (Jesus), and The Holy Spirit (The Holy Ghost). As to Jesus, The Savior: a savior not quite God would be like a bridge broken at its farther end, and one not quite human like a bridge broken at its beginning. So, pay close attention! Essential elements of the Trinity are: God is one (Christianity is not polytheistic). Each of the 3 within the "Godhead" is deity...not created. The one-ness of God and the three-ness of God are not contradictory. The Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is eternal. Each of the 3 is of the same/equal *essence, none being superior or inferior to another. Each person of the Trinity is different in function and personhood, not one person with 3 modes*. God did not become incarnate, Jesus did; so we don't thank the Father for dying on the Cross. Jesus was begotten but not created. Jesus, fully God, became incarnate (John 1:14...the Word became flesh) as fully human (body, soul, & spirit...otherwise he would not be an actual redeemable human & could not have qualified as The Redeemer). Jesus the God-man

04-01-2008, 05:09 AM	#17 (permalink)
dgc Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: washington Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Name The FATHER The SON The HOLY GHOST Yahweh ; "I AM" Jesus of Nazareth Holy Spirit as to:divine essence the FATHER: each same...He is the Head; God is "one" the SON: each same...was a man for 30+ years & God is the Head of Jesus; God is "one"...Jesus is God (Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1; Romans 1:5; Hebrews 1:8) the HOLY Spirit: each same...H. S. not man-like, came like a rushing wind;God is "one" as to a vineyard example (John 15:1-8) the FATHER: is the gardener who prunes the SON: the main vine [the true vine] (people are the branches) the HOLY Spirit: not mentioned as to:fundamental roles the FATHER: has The Will, the agenda the SON: is perfectly obedient; to the mission, shepherd, and be The Head of believers. the HOLY Spirit: is perfectly obedient; is enabler of persons to become (say "yes") and be believers; is a promise of the Father (Luke 24); is a gift to every believer (Acts 2:38) as to presence in the lives of God's chosen people the FATHER: BC: present but spoke thru prophets AD: present but speaks thru The Word, prayer, circumstances, and the church the SON: BC: present but not realized & not incarnate AD: has all authority on heaven and earth and is the Head of The Church the HOLY Spirit: BC: did not indwell all of the chosen; He only came upon especially chosen individuals for God's purposes AD: He indwells each believer (by doing so He baptizes & causes the new birth) and is the agent by whom God "speaks" as to: the truth of a person's profession of Christian faith the FATHER: simply desires (and set the way) for all to be saved and "draws" toward saving belief the SON: died to cancel sin for all & to redeem all; is author of one's faith; convicts of need to say "yes" to Jesus belief; only one knowing sincerity of profession (Matthew 5:21) the HOLY Spirit: enables to say "yes" to salvation as to: eternality the FATHER: yes, Psalms 90:2 the SON: yes, John 1:2 Revelations 1:8, 1:17 the HOLY Spirit: yes, Hebrews 9:14 as to: power the FATHER: yes, equal: I Peter 1:5 the SON: yes, equal: 2 Corinthians 12:9 the HOLY Spirit: yes, equal: Romans 15:19 as to the WAYS of God the FATHER: as to the WAYS of God the SON: lived the example and spoke of the ways of God the HOLY Spirit: instructs one as to the ways of God as to the believer's intimate relationship with Jesus the FATHER: wills it the SON: desires it for you and leads into knowledge of it the HOLY Spirit: enables the believer into the relationship and as to the mind of Christ as to: holiness the FATHER: equal, Revelations 15:4 the SON: equal, Acts 3:14 the HOLY Spirit: equal, Acts 1:8 as to: love the FATHER: originator of love; His nature is love; possesses the will to extend love; is love I John 4:16 the SON: is the embodiment of love on earth & commands & leads to love of others the HOLY Spirit: the conduit for pouring out love into the believer's heart Romans 8:26-28 & works to enable love for others

04-01-2008, 05:11 AM	#18 (permalink)
dgc Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: washington Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	as to: omniscience the FATHER: yes, total, 100% Jeremiah 17:10 the SON: yes, 99.99999% Revelations 2:23 (Jesus doesn't know the time of His return...only the Father knows); John 14:28; Mark 13:32; John 5:19; & I Corinthians 15:28) the HOLY Spirit: yes, 99.99999% I Corinthians 2:11 (only the Father knows the time of Christ's return) as to: benevolence the FATHER: thru it, God leads man toward repentance, toward "belief" Romans 2:4 the SON: thru God's benevolence, Jesus cleanses believer, Ephesians 5:25 the HOLY Spirit: thru God's benevolence, the Spirit instructs and enables the believer, Nehemiah 9:20 as to: creation of the world the FATHER: He conceived it and created it Gen.. 1:1 the SON: He was there from the beginning John 1:1-3, 10 the HOLY Spirit: hovered over it at beginning Gen.. 1:2 as to: creation of Man the FATHER: formed the man Genesis 2:7 the SON: created man and man created for him Colossians 1: the HOLY Spirit: his breath gives man life Job 33:4 as to: death of Christ the FATHER: He conceived of and engineered the plan and agreed that such way was the only sufficient offset for the sins of mankind the SON: He agreed to come to earth as a man, to play the role, to live and speak THE TRUTH, to be the Light of the world, and to undergo the details of all of the prophesies and suffer the death. the HOLY Spirit: He came 50 days later, at Pentecost, to indwell believers therefrom, on into all the future ages Acts 2:1 as to:Sin the FATHER: declared and defined sin the SON: came to reveal sin the HOLY Spirit: is always busy among people, and thru people and other means, urging the conviction of sin within the mind of a person (that person becomes CONVINCED...convicted) "shouts" a warning to the believer about to fall off course as to redemption of mankind the FATHER: willed the process the SON: willingly came, fully as a man, as the Father's obedient servant to accomplish The Father's will the HOLY Spirit: came onto Jesus (as enablement ?...John 5:19) at his baptism (Mark 1:9) as to salvation of an individual, role the FATHER: designates/foreknowledges The Elect the SON: paid the redemption price and "knocks on the door" ...is the invitation to make a choice...for the "yes" hearer to say "yes" the HOLY Spirit: LEADS individual to Jesus: works thru those used to carry the Gospel that the message be conveyed ...quickens the mind and spirit of the "hearer" ...enables the "yes" hearer to hear ..."saves" the "yes" hearer by enabling him to say yes as to prayer the FATHER: loves, solicits, receives it the SON: intercedes for the believer in behalf of it, as requested the HOLY Spirit: aids the believer in discerning what, how, and why to pray; will intercede for believer, as asked, when believer does not know how or what to pray; our helper in prayer.

04-01-2008, 05:14 AM	#19 (permalink)
dgc Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: washington Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	as to: omniscience the FATHER: yes, total, 100% Jeremiah 17:10 the SON: yes, 99.99999% Revelations 2:23 (Jesus doesn't know the time of His return...only the Father knows); John 14:28; Mark 13:32; John 5:19; & I Corinthians 15:28) the HOLY Spirit: yes, 99.99999% I Corinthians 2:11 (only the Father knows the time of Christ's return) as to: benevolence the FATHER: thru it, God leads man toward repentance, toward "belief" Romans 2:4 the SON: thru God's benevolence, Jesus cleanses believer, Ephesians 5:25 the HOLY Spirit: thru God's benevolence, the Spirit instructs and enables the believer, Nehemiah 9:20 as to: creation of the world the FATHER: He conceived it and created it Gen.. 1:1 the SON: He was there from the beginning John 1:1-3, 10 the HOLY Spirit: hovered over it at beginning Gen.. 1:2 as to: creation of Man the FATHER: formed the man Genesis 2:7 the SON: created man and man created for him Colossians 1: the HOLY Spirit: his breath gives man life Job 33:4 as to: death of Christ the FATHER: He conceived of and engineered the plan and agreed that such way was the only sufficient offset for the sins of mankind the SON: He agreed to come to earth as a man, to play the role, to live and speak THE TRUTH, to be the Light of the world, and to undergo the details of all of the prophesies and suffer the death. the HOLY Spirit: He came 50 days later, at Pentecost, to indwell believers therefrom, on into all the future ages Acts 2:1 as to:Sin the FATHER: declared and defined sin the SON: came to reveal sin the HOLY Spirit: is always busy among people, and thru people and other means, urging the conviction of sin within the mind of a person (that person becomes CONVINCED...convicted) "shouts" a warning to the believer about to fall off course as to redemption of mankind the FATHER: willed the process the SON: willingly came, fully as a man, as the Father's obedient servant to accomplish The Father's will the HOLY Spirit: came onto Jesus (as enablement ?...John 5:19) at his baptism (Mark 1:9) as to salvation of an individual, role the FATHER: designates/foreknowledges The Elect the SON: paid the redemption price and "knocks on the door" ...is the invitation to make a choice...for the "yes" hearer to say "yes" the HOLY Spirit: LEADS individual to Jesus: works thru those used to carry the Gospel that the message be conveyed ...quickens the mind and spirit of the "hearer" ...enables the "yes" hearer to hear ..."saves" the "yes" hearer by enabling him to say yes

04-01-2008, 05:22 AM	#20 (permalink)
dgc Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: washington Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	(sorry for the duplication) as to vengeance the FATHER: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. Romans 12:19 the SON: is a shield from it for the believer the HOLY Spirit: no role as to Judgment the FATHER: authority and measurer of proper appeasement the SON: passes all final judgment (John 5:22 & 27) the HOLY Spirit: no role as to spiritual gifts the FATHER: no role the SON: no role the HOLY Spirit: distributes the particular gifts to particular believers as to the believer's glorification of God the FATHER: He desires it, receives it, and loves it the SON: He intercedes and delivers it (John 15:5) the HOLY Spirit: He infuses the power to do so, originating in Jesus, into the believer (Philippians 4:13) as to God speaking to believers the FATHER: He "speaks" the SON: He is the interceding link the HOLY Spirit: He resides within the believer and gives the message through The Word (scripture), prayer, circumstances, and the Church. as to knowing the will of God for yourself the FATHER: He "wills" that you know it the SON: He loves you toward desiring to know it the HOLY Spirit: He guides and enables you into seeing, hearing, understanding what God's will is & what the mind of Christ is as to God's will as to doing the will of God for yourself the FATHER: it is His will that you come to know it the SON: He loves you toward desiring to do it the HOLY Spirit: He enables you to say "yes" in your decision to do it and enables you to do it. as to:the local church the FATHER: has His will for it the SON: is the Head of it the HOLY Spirit: manifests himself as the enabler within each believer for actions and experiences toward the common good of "the body of believers"...the church I Corinthians 12 Acts 2:38 as to: Resurrection from death the FATHER: He wills that the children of God come to Him and His kingdom after their death (has possibly willed that all come to Him) the SON: He is the actual mechanism for the resurrection of God's children (John 11:25) the HOLY Spirit: