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Old 02-14-2008, 09:26 PM   #1
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Default A question about John 12:27.

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I have a question about this one, " Now my heart is troubled, and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. Father, glorify your name!

Did jesus pray that he would not be crucified? that our sins wouldn't be put on him? or did he not pray?



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Old 02-14-2008, 09:38 PM   #2
 
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He prayed that if there was ANY other way, that God would provide Him a way out. But, He also showed willingness to do His Father's will.
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Old 02-14-2008, 09:52 PM   #3
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What Banarenth said.


Actually, the particular verse that you posted about, from my understanding, is more about Jesus telling of his coming death. If you look at Matthew 26:36 onward, there you can see where Jesus was in the garden and prayed that if there was another way that God would provide it. But, as Banarenth said, Jesus was still willing to do his father's will.

The thing to always keep in mind was that Jesus was still human. God in the flesh. Jesus dealt with the same things that all humans deal with. If you knew you had to die, would you be so eager? It is easy for people to say "yes" until they are actually faced with it. Crucifixion was not an easy death by any means. It isn't as though they were going to just put a bullet in his head, or administer lethal injection, or any number of other more humane ways of ending the life of another. Crucifixion was a relatively slow death. I believe that it is human nature to want a way out if you know death is near. Our survival instincts kick in. So, it is only natural that Jesus would ask God if there was any other way then let that happen. But there wasn't.
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Jesus faced a terrible task. Not only torture, cruxifiction and finally death but He faced being seperated from His Father for the first time ever. As He bore our sin the Father would not look upon that sin until the debt was paid. I believe that was the most painful part Jesus faced. He walked in human flesh and felt pain just like us, the wieght of the sins of all humanity was a daunting task yet He did it out of love for you and me.
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Not My Will, but Yours Be Done:
Did Jesus Want to Avoid the Cross?


Not My Will, but Yours Be Done: Did Jesus Want to Avoid the Cross?
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You bet Jesus wanted to avoid the cross. He was human. But He was also the Son of God and knew what He had to do. When He was in the desert being tempted. All of the temptations that the devil through at Him would have gotten Him out of having to go to the cross.
The bottom line is Jesus did it for you and me. He loved each of us that He shed His perfect blood for our stupid sins. We are not worthy of what He did for us.
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:47 AM   #7
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Not My Will, but Yours Be Done:
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Not My Will, but Yours Be Done: Did Jesus Want to Avoid the Cross?
I don't really agree with this article.
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I did not read it completely through so please explain the problem or problems you have with it.
I am not saying I disagree with your feelings, I may want to check it out a little deeper myself.
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I didn't read the whole thing either, but here is one example.

We would explain the Garden prayer in this way: Father, I cannot fulfill my destiny at the cross if I am not revived here in the Garden. As I have my entire life, I ask this to be accomplished by your power, not my own. And, in fact, God did answer Christ's prayer, sustained him in the Garden by means of angels, and preserved him alive to face his crucifixion to save us from our sins.

I think Christ new that his destiny was at the cross. He knew that He would go there. Therefore, He couldn't have been killed in the garden. Then He asked if there were any other way. I think having one of the guards kill Him with a sword in the garden would have been more humane than what He had to endure for our sins.
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I befriended a reverend in the past who has since moved on. He was a good friend, and this was something that he always talked with me about, I don't know. I think it was just one of his favorite subjects.

Jesus, as the Son of God, knew what was coming. It wasn't just death, but the punishment for the sins of all mankind. Each lashing would be a lashing for countless numbers of sins. The pain would be unbareable, and it would happen over and over and over again. It would have a supernatural quality to it, becoming drawn out and the man holding the whip would receive extra strength and stamina from God Himself. There would be no other purpose for the man with the whip, anywhere in the universe, except to beat Jesus to supernatural pain.

This isn't pain that you or I would feel if we were whipped with the same whip. This was the sacrifice, the Lamb of God. A pure heart, the Blood of God, spilling as punishment for us. The sins for all mankind would be paid for with this beating. With this death.

Jesus knew that was coming, and he was scared. He was so full of love for us and His Father, he was scared. He was nothing but Love. To face such a judgment for us, he knew that for it to pay for all of mankind's sins, the punishment had to fit the crime. The punishment had to fit the crime. The punishment had to fit the crimes.

Being innocent of any crimes, Jesus asked if there was another way for this to happen...Let this cup pass from me. That's what he wanted. But at the same time, with the same prayer, he said that it wasn't his (Jesus) will that must be done, but his Father's (God's) will that must be done.

He was telling his Father that he was afraid, scared to go through with this because he knew that it was going to be supernatural pain. But he would do it, because it was God's will. God's plan. God's love for us.

Pretty amazing, isn't He?
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