JeremiahD84

So, I'm curious.....
Are Cain and Judas in Hell?
Both men are capable of being forgiven right?
So is it possible that they were and are in Heaven?
Please tell me what you guys know about the situation.

carolinasteve

Thats a great question. Right off the bat, I thought, no, but then after thinking some more, I realized I have no clue. Judas showed remorse and great grief after he handed over Jesus, so much so that he threw the blood money away and took his own life. Would this be considered evidence of a new belief and repentance for his sin, or simply guilt because he knew Jesus did not deserve to die, as he said in Matthew 27:3-4

As for Cain, There is no account of the manner in which he died that I could find. God showed him mercy, in the face of his sin, by cursing anyone who killed him with His vengeance seven times, but He is never said to have looked favorably on Cain. I'd guess no, Cain is not in Heaven

Watchman

Jesus did say, (i'm paraphrasing) "Woe unto him who betrays the Son of Man."

And as for Cain, he fled from God. I cannot see him in the same place as his brother

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It's likely that Judas will stand before the judgement of sin.. he did after all commit 'Satan's shortcut to hell', suicide.
However, Cain.. we do not know what happened later on in his life, it might appear as that he repented, but this is something that we may only know when we enter paradise.

Banarenth

It's not something I put a lot of thought into. Cain would have been under the old law, even BEFORE the law of Abraham, and he was punished immediately and specifically for his sin. So, I don't really see any reason to say that repentance would be impossible, at least in theory. There are, however, some other circumstances surrounding Cain that could pose other issues, but for the sake of *THIS* discussion, they aren't important. Cain had as much chance as Adam or Eve. They sinned, and he sinned. They were punished, and he was punished.

As for Judas...it's a bit harder to make any real discussion about this. We don't know the exact circumstances surrounding his death exactly, nor his motives. Though, I do remember a verse that describes how Satan entered into Judas before the betrayal.

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DaveS

I hear this a lot, but I've never seen any biblical evidence to back it up. But if thats the case then King Saul and Samson are in hell too, I'm sure more people in the Bible had committed suicide, but these are the only two the come to mind.

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Pastor Gary

According to SCRIPTURE, anyone who sins has the ability to repent of those sins and if that is accomplished, it is then up to God to sort it out.

In Mathew 27:3 (KJV) we are told that Judas was filled with remorse and we can probably take that as Judas repenting. There is also good evidence in the original Greek manuscripts that Judas was murdered by the temple priests rather than committing suicide. Judas threw the silver coins back in the faces of the temple priests who had contracted with him to betray Jesus. Those priests could NOT allow Judas to tell the true story to anyone, so they killed him to silence him. Your insides do not gush out unless you have some "help". Acts 1:18 (KJV)

Cain is not written of directly in scripture past Genesis 4 and his possible repentence is not spoken of. However, it is highly unlikely that he did repent based upon other scripture. Christ was speaking to the Pharisees and Kenites and mentioned something quite interesting in John 8:44 (KJV). < (Click highlight for text). Christ would have known if Cain had repented, so it is a pretty good bet that Cain was not remorseful, while Judas was.



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JeremiahD84

What i'm about to cover is alittle off topic, but considering I started the thread, it's ok. Plus I just couldn't resist....
I absolutely DO NOT believe that suicide is a short cut to hell. No where in the Bible is it called the unforgiveable sin. We know that the only unforgiveable sin is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus' forgiveness covers all transgressions, past, present and future. Surely suicide does not nullify His forgiveness.

Now if Jesus is not your savior and you commit suicide then thats a different story... it wouldn't matter how you die, until you accept Jesus as King, all deaths lead to Hell.

Boanerges

Jesus told the Father He only lost one and that one was lost to fulfill scripture. I believe Judas was eternally lost. But as far as that goes he or Cain or anyone else who call's on God with a repentant heart could be saved. I guess only God knows that answer as He wasn't specific in His Word on that subject.

Billy-Bible

Hi guys,

I thought this was an interesting discussion. It was enough to make me join.

I agree with the brother and his last post. John 17:12 clearly pronounces eternal damnation upon Judas by the Lord, Himself.

Also, Matthew 26:24 says...

The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

So it appears Judas is condemned.

As for Cain...

In Hebrew 11:4, talking of faith, it's said Abel had faith and Cain didn't. The context is saving faith by the way.

Also, in Jude 11, Cain is lumped in with Balaam and Korah, both men who died in their sins and were counted with evil, false teachers.

Hope this helps.

Bill
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