Hi guys,
I thought this was an interesting discussion. It was enough to make me join.
I agree with the brother and his last post.
John 17:12 clearly pronounces eternal damnation upon Judas by the Lord, Himself.
Also,
Matthew 26:24 says...
The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
So it appears Judas is condemned.
As for Cain...
In Hebrew 11:4, talking of faith, it's said Abel had faith and Cain didn't. The context is saving faith by the way.
Also, in
Jude 11, Cain is lumped in with Balaam and Korah, both men who died in their sins and were counted with evil, false teachers.
Hope this helps.
Bill
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