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SweetSurrender · 05-02-2008, 03:50 AM

I'd ask: "How many triangles?" "One!" they'd call out. "How many corners?" "Three!" "How many God's?" "One!" "How many Persons?" "Three!" I'm sure they 'got it' with the simplicity of their young minds and understanding better than I did! Hope it helps. Because there really are THREE separate Entities - three Persons. Jesus is separate from His Father. I'm sooo sorry Bondman, but I just don't get it I guess. It almost sounds the same as the Mormons believe the way you said this. So, is what I learned at church last night wrong? They said that God went through everything Jesus did because they are one. Grrrr! I know I'm a blond . . . some things just don't come as easy for me. I think maybe my batteries are low.

How many God's?" "One!" "How many Persons?" "Three!" Is it as simple as "only 1 God, but three persons?" As if to say, 1 God with 1 other person (Jesus) and then a spirit . . . God's spirit like we have a spirit? That would be 3 persons? I thought I had it all figured out, but some things you say don't sound like what I thought. I figured that there is one God, with different relationships. As in Bondman the father, Bondman the son, and Bondman the husband. Because Jesus was there when the earth was created as was God because they are one and God has a spirit. The Jesus part of God was "loaned" to the world to that the God part could learn about humanity by coming down to dwell with man and experiencing what we experience. Just tell me if any of these thoughts are correct. And, if you each on line could put your understanding into it, maybe your way of communicating will light my light bulb so to speak. Sometimes Norm and I just do not speak the same language, so please feel free. I'm sorry, I'm just being honest like I am supposed to be.

Otherwise He'd have to be seen as this utter fool on earth - talking to Himself!

You may think of it like this. They are so ALIKE, that it's "as if" ???they are one Person. But they are three Persons. Sometimes it's said like this: "Three Persons in one God. One God in three Persons." In a marriage, the Word says that TWO have become ONE flesh. Do they really? Of course not! ONE married couple - and if it's a great marriage, no disharmony, working together, almost like they really ARE one! Yet at all times there are still two PERSONS. That's a poor picture of what we refer to as the Trinity, but I think it does help give us some clues.

Alright Jesus was the One who was on earth on the Cross. The Father was still in heaven. Jesus took all of the sins of everyone in the world upon Himself while on the Cross. The Father was the One Who put them there! - so that The Perfect Lamb could pay sin's full penalty of hell: which is TOTAL SEPARATION FROM GOD THE FATHER. That's what ultimately killed Jesus! A broken heart if you like!! - cos He and His Father and the Holy Spirit had been together from forever - and now Jesus is there suffering the cruelty of the cross, and left completely on his own!!!

But why DID the Father leave Jesus utterly ALONE? Because SIN SEPARATES!!! When you were unsaved, you were "dead in your sins" the NT says. This deadness was because you were completely SEPARATED from God BY YOUR SIN!! That's what sin does! That's why unbelievers can seem to know so little, and be so 'dumb' about the whole deal. They don't know God!! Nor can they, until they come to Him via Jesus.

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