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Bondman · 05-01-2008, 07:53 AM

Message #60

THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT - Part 1

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Originally Posted by SweetSurrender

The biggest thing I learned was that when Jesus was born a baby in the manger, and even when He was crucified, it was also God who was going through those things because the Father and Jesus are one. It was a new idea to me, even though I do believe in the Trinity now. It was just an eye opener to me. Have you all thought about this? I spose you have. But, it did bring up new questions also. Like, how was it that Jesus prayed to God and asked Him to remove "this cup?" And when God turned away from Jesus? I'll settle for any answer. I'm not doubting, just wondering.

The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible. It's a word that's been coined to try and explain what cannot ultimately be explained: how we have three Persons Who the Word says are "one" - but at the same time are still "separate" individuals. FACT: God is SO MUCH BIGGER AND GREATER THAN US - to understand Him you'd need to BE God *silly!* and this is one example of things we simply cannot fully comprehend.

One example that's used to try and help is that a man can be a husband, son and father at the same time. Three very different roles, but just one person. It's an imperfect analogy. The one I used to use with 10-yr olds years ago seems a little better:

I'd ask: "How many triangles?" "One!" they'd call out. "How many corners?" "Three!" "How many God's?" "One!" "How many Persons?" "Three!" I'm sure they 'got it' with the simplicity of their young minds and understanding better than I did! Hope it helps. Because there really are THREE separate Entities - three Persons. Jesus is separate from His Father. Otherwise He'd have to be seen as this utter fool on earth - talking to Himself!

You may think of it like this. They are so ALIKE, that it's "as if" they are one Person. But they are three Persons. Sometimes it's said like this: "Three Persons in one God. One God in three Persons." In a marriage, the Word says that TWO have become ONE flesh. Do they really? Of course not! ONE married couple - and if it's a great marriage, no disharmony, working together, almost like they really ARE one! Yet at all times there are still two PERSONS. That's a poor picture of what we refer to as the Trinity, but I think it does help give us some clues.

Alright Jesus was the One who was on earth on the Cross. The Father was still in heaven. Jesus took all of the sins of everyone in the world upon Himself while on the Cross. The Father was the One Who put them there! - so that The Perfect Lamb could pay sin's full penalty of hell: which is TOTAL SEPARATION FROM GOD THE FATHER. That's what ultimately killed Jesus! A broken heart if you like!! - cos He and His Father and the Holy Spirit had been together from forever - and now Jesus is there suffering the cruelty of the cross, and left completely on his own!!!

But why DID the Father leave Jesus utterly ALONE? Because SIN SEPARATES!!! When you were unsaved, you were "dead in your sins" the NT says. This deadness was because you were completely SEPARATED from God BY YOUR SIN!! That's what sin does! That's why unbelievers can seem to know so little, and be so 'dumb' about the whole deal. They don't know God!! Nor can they, until they come to Him via Jesus.

Part 2 continued in next post...