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beloved57 · 04-22-2008, 10:42 PM

For whom did christ die ? The most controversial question within the religous circles of the ages.. Most all in the world today, believe that Jesus christ died for every human beingi n order to save them, but then turn around and say, the death of christ, in and of itself does not save anyone..but provides everyone in the world a chance or a opportunity for them to save themselves..
I want to tell you though, that the death of christ saved all that he died for, they live[spiritually], because he died for them..
2 cor 5:

14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
As paul shares here, christ died for all in order that or for the purpose of them recieving life [ made alive] to live for the glory of God..
This means that we were made alive, created in christ jesus, unto good works, that He before had preapared for us to walk in..
Thats what it means by that, they should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again for them .
rom 4 tells us he rose for[because of] our Justification rom 4:
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Let us look at two different scriptures to determine what has been revealed by God, as to who Jesus christ died for.
1 jn 2:1,2
1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
and Jn 11:
50Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; 52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad
Let me say this from the start, Jesus christ death was limited and particular in purpose and design, but unlimited as to its scope of reference, no longer zeroing in on one nation of ethnic men, but spreading out to all nations of men..
By the grace of God, I will bring together the two text of scriptures, that will give Gods people an understanding of the death and purpose of christ, the saviour of the world.
lets look at jn 11 51
51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
This statement that Jesus would die for a nation, was an actual prophesy from God, not guess work, but an actual revealation, for it says [ this he spake not of himself]..
So God himself in this particular , limits the intention of the death of christ to one nation [ the jews]
but he does not stop talking, note vs 52
52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
but he shall also gather together in one [ one sheepfold, household, one nation] the children of God, that were scattered abroad..
Notice he did not say die but gather together in one. Thats because his death gathers and brings the children of God [ by election] to God, it gives us repentance to come to God..
1 pet 3:
For Christ also hath once suffered[or died] for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might[he shall] bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
So by means of his death, christ brings or gathers his people back to Gods sheepfold..
The same truth is taught in Jn 10:
15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
So we see the same sequence of thought, the death or dying[of christ] for a specific people and a bringing to God another group of people..
Notice something about jn 11
50Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
This is saying, that christ death for the nation of israel, was not to save all its inhabitants, but only that some of them will be saved, that the whole nation perish not..
We see words were used depicting the whole for the some in the whole..
This agrees with the principal of election towards israel, notice rom 11:

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. This agrees with the train of thought when christ spoke to a lady about the limited design of his mission matt 15:
22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Even the intention within the nation of Israel, was limited to not them as a whole, but only the lost sheep of the house of Israel. God always deals with remants of the whole, yet calls it by the whole..
rom 9:
27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
BTW, this same principle is in effect with the phrase of God so loved the world, yet it was not every single individual, but those that were in the world, that he loved jn 13:
1Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
Jesus loved the world , is to say more specifically, he loves his own chosen ones in the world..

04-22-2008, 10:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
beloved57 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	Who did Jesus Christ die for ? pt 1 For whom did christ die ? The most controversial question within the religous circles of the ages.. Most all in the world today, believe that Jesus christ died for every human beingi n order to save them, but then turn around and say, the death of christ, in and of itself does not save anyone..but provides everyone in the world a chance or a opportunity for them to save themselves.. I want to tell you though, that the death of christ saved all that he died for, they live[spiritually], because he died for them.. 2 cor 5: 14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. As paul shares here, christ died for all in order that or for the purpose of them recieving life [ made alive] to live for the glory of God.. This means that we were made alive, created in christ jesus, unto good works, that He before had preapared for us to walk in.. Thats what it means by that, they should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again for them . rom 4 tells us he rose for[because of] our Justification rom 4: 25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. Let us look at two different scriptures to determine what has been revealed by God, as to who Jesus christ died for. 1 jn 2:1,2 1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. and Jn 11: 50Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; 52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad Let me say this from the start, Jesus christ death was limited and particular in purpose and design, but unlimited as to its scope of reference, no longer zeroing in on one nation of ethnic men, but spreading out to all nations of men.. By the grace of God, I will bring together the two text of scriptures, that will give Gods people an understanding of the death and purpose of christ, the saviour of the world. lets look at jn 11 51 51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; This statement that Jesus would die for a nation, was an actual prophesy from God, not guess work, but an actual revealation, for it says [ this he spake not of himself].. So God himself in this particular , limits the intention of the death of christ to one nation [ the jews] but he does not stop talking, note vs 52 52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. but he shall also gather together in one [ one sheepfold, household, one nation] the children of God, that were scattered abroad.. Notice he did not say die but gather together in one. Thats because his death gathers and brings the children of God [ by election] to God, it gives us repentance to come to God.. 1 pet 3: For Christ also hath once suffered[or died] for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might[he shall] bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: So by means of his death, christ brings or gathers his people back to Gods sheepfold.. The same truth is taught in Jn 10: 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. So we see the same sequence of thought, the death or dying[of christ] for a specific people and a bringing to God another group of people.. Notice something about jn 11 50Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. This is saying, that christ death for the nation of israel, was not to save all its inhabitants, but only that some of them will be saved, that the whole nation perish not.. We see words were used depicting the whole for the some in the whole.. This agrees with the principal of election towards israel, notice rom 11: 5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. This agrees with the train of thought when christ spoke to a lady about the limited design of his mission matt 15: 22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Even the intention within the nation of Israel, was limited to not them as a whole, but only the lost sheep of the house of Israel. God always deals with remants of the whole, yet calls it by the whole.. rom 9: 27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: BTW, this same principle is in effect with the phrase of God so loved the world, yet it was not every single individual, but those that were in the world, that he loved jn 13: 1Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. Jesus loved the world , is to say more specifically, he loves his own chosen ones in the world..